[quote='Aardverk' pid='241372' dateline='1329575473']
[quote]I absolutely agree with you - 'reason is behind courage'. Just because you personally do not agree with someone, that does not mean that they have not used 'reason'. Or would you deny the ability to 'reason' to anyone you disagree with? I will assume that you do not as that would be a form of madness.[/quote]
Your reasoning does not define courage. You are referencing reason with thoughts, which can be debated. A little madness doesn't hurt anyone, as long as it is used in moderation.
[quote]I absolutely agree with you - 'the desire for someone to understand'. Yes, you are getting there bit by bit. If someone really wants you to understand he will go a long way to get his message over. Whilst we agree that his message was of no interest, to him it was vital! He thought he was doing good. We both disagree with him but so what? He was trying to get his message across. Good for him for having the courage to try. Don't forget that there are plenty of people who will admire both his courage AND his message. The fact that we do not like the message or his style does not negate the courage.[/quote]
Well, then the ones that have been placed under physcological care and stand up on chairs and start rambling on about have great their aunt marys chocolate cake is, have courage by your understanding. For you to define by universal terms then all terms apply.
[quote]No, I thought you had forgotten about those brave people. The were roundly condemned but had the courage to stand up and insult people who didn't agree with them. Their 'reasoning' was challenged at all levels of society. Despite great number of people trying to deny them their 'reason', their bravery eventually won through. Admirable, don't you think? Even though they were being 'thoroughly unpleasant'.
"Don't worry your little head about it, it's probably beyond women to understand".
That is a very, very mild example of the verbal abuse and 'reasoning' that the suffragettes had to overcome. What problems do you think the oaf in the video has to overcome? The suffragettes' actions required determination and bravery and so did the oaf's - in his view.[/quote]
Let's compare:
Women standing up for equal rights vs. this man standing up for _____(you are going to have to fill the blank in due you seem to understand what he was standing up for)
That is if you would like to keep it in universal thought.
[quote]For the record I believe absolutely in equality and universal suffrage for everyone with an IQ over 99. My quote above was just to make you think.[/quote]
So you are giving this man an IQ over 99, interesting. I would have chosen a bit lower on the scale.
[quote]I absolutely agree with you - 'reason is behind courage'. Just because you personally do not agree with someone, that does not mean that they have not used 'reason'. Or would you deny the ability to 'reason' to anyone you disagree with? I will assume that you do not as that would be a form of madness.[/quote]
Your reasoning does not define courage. You are referencing reason with thoughts, which can be debated. A little madness doesn't hurt anyone, as long as it is used in moderation.
[quote]I absolutely agree with you - 'the desire for someone to understand'. Yes, you are getting there bit by bit. If someone really wants you to understand he will go a long way to get his message over. Whilst we agree that his message was of no interest, to him it was vital! He thought he was doing good. We both disagree with him but so what? He was trying to get his message across. Good for him for having the courage to try. Don't forget that there are plenty of people who will admire both his courage AND his message. The fact that we do not like the message or his style does not negate the courage.[/quote]
Well, then the ones that have been placed under physcological care and stand up on chairs and start rambling on about have great their aunt marys chocolate cake is, have courage by your understanding. For you to define by universal terms then all terms apply.
[quote]No, I thought you had forgotten about those brave people. The were roundly condemned but had the courage to stand up and insult people who didn't agree with them. Their 'reasoning' was challenged at all levels of society. Despite great number of people trying to deny them their 'reason', their bravery eventually won through. Admirable, don't you think? Even though they were being 'thoroughly unpleasant'.
"Don't worry your little head about it, it's probably beyond women to understand".
That is a very, very mild example of the verbal abuse and 'reasoning' that the suffragettes had to overcome. What problems do you think the oaf in the video has to overcome? The suffragettes' actions required determination and bravery and so did the oaf's - in his view.[/quote]
Let's compare:
Women standing up for equal rights vs. this man standing up for _____(you are going to have to fill the blank in due you seem to understand what he was standing up for)
That is if you would like to keep it in universal thought.
[quote]For the record I believe absolutely in equality and universal suffrage for everyone with an IQ over 99. My quote above was just to make you think.[/quote]
So you are giving this man an IQ over 99, interesting. I would have chosen a bit lower on the scale.