Evidence that God exists

[Anto Kennedy]

Your ideas sound just as kooky only they go against natural human drives, so they are more destructive.

There are natural human inhibitions too. I only say not to be governed by thw minor wills lest you adbandon the great will of humans, the will to overcome, or if you'd like Neitczhe's word for it, Will to Power, The Great Will.

How can you process this obvious bullshit into a rational direction in life? I bet you just do whatever the fuck you want and then label it god's will after the fact.

Pretty much, of course now that I'm not governed by the minor wills, I no longer "want", or should I say my body no longer wants constant indulgence. When you no longer seek pleasure, nor disdian pain, then you are free to act freely, without fear and without narrow self-interest (self interest in terms of specific organs of the body)

Look, let's assume there is a god that created the universe just for fun. Why wouldn't you believe that he created all those drives you are shunning?

You assume that I believe in Intelligent Design or in Young Earth Creationism. I don't.

I believe in natural selection, as such I believe the minor wills to have accumalated over time, being formed for a specific environment at a specific time in our evolution, and that these wills are no longer suitable to our current circumstances in the 21st Century.

I no longer need to fuck anything and everything at any given opportunity just for my genes to survive. Sex is about creation, not pleasure; pleasure is only a means by which the body motivates (wills) you into having sex.

Also you have it backwards! Our drives are what give us pleasure!

Pleasure, pain, it's all the same. Just a sensation that will pass away.

The fact that you hold a belief that goes so entirly against your urges will ultimatly cause cognitive dissonance.

The urges go against my will, not the other way around. You have to tame the beast, as you tame a horse or a dog, your body is an animal and it needs to be mastered to make best use of it, otherwise it will hurt you.

And I must inform you that I do not deny my urges, I am indifferent to them. If I'm hungry, I may or may not eat, but I'll decide, not my stomach. The reason we have so many fat fucks in the world is because people are being encouraged to indulge themselves and forget about any form of self-control (which is good for business, plenty of profit I suppose)

Don't forget, there are natural inhibitions too, and these natural inhibitions are what makes us human, what has made us the dominant species on the planet, which gives us our power and freedom in the world.

That is part of religious practices around the world. Deny yourself what you really want and your body will create experiences to fill the void.

Deny nothing, only do not be subject to you're urges. Allow them to be, but do not act on them unless you have reasoned to do so. Reason, I thought atheists would understand what I'm talking about.

I do have a better definition for god! Thanks for asking!

God is imaginary!™

Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability of forming mental images, sensations and concepts, in a moment when they are not perceived through sight, hearing or other senses. Imagination helps provide meaning to experience and understanding to knowledge; it is a fundamental facility through which people make sense of the world,[1][2][3] and it also plays a key role in the learning process.

Imagination is the faculty through which we encounter everything. The things that we touch, see and hear coalesce into a "picture" via our imagination.

It is accepted as the innate ability and process of inventing partial or complete personal realms within the mind from elements derived from sense perceptions of the shared world.[citation needed] The term is technically used in psychology for the process of reviving in the mind, percepts of objects formerly given in sense perception. Since this use of the term conflicts with that of ordinary language, some psychologists have preferred to describe this process as "imaging" or "imagery" or to speak of it as "reproductive" as opposed to "productive" or "constructive" imagination.

The same limitations beset imagination in the field of scientific hypothesis. Progress in scientific research is due largely to provisional explanations which are constructed by imagination, but such hypotheses must be framed in relation to previously ascertained facts and in accordance with the principles of the particular science.

Imagination is an experimental partition of the mind used to create theories and ideas based on functions. Taking objects from real perceptions, the imagination uses complex IF-functions to create new or revised ideas. This part of the mind is vital to developing better and easier ways to accomplish old and new tasks. These experimental ideas can be safely conducted inside a virtual world and then, if the idea is probable and the function is true, the idea can be actualized in reality. Imagination is the key to new development of the mind and can be shared with others, progressing collectively.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination

An object of the mind is an object which exists in the imagination, but can only be represented or modeled in the real world. Some such objects are mathematical abstractions, literary concepts, or fictional scenarios.

Closely related are intentional objects, what thoughts and feelings are about, even if they are not about anything real (such as thoughts about unicorns, or feeling of apprehension about a dental appointment which is subsequently cancelled).[1] However, intentional objects can coincide with real objects (as in thoughts about horses, or a feeling of regret about a missed appointment).

Mathematics and geometry describe abstract objects that sometimes correspond to familiar shapes, and sometimes do not. Circles, triangles, rectangles, and so forth describe two-dimensional shapes that are often found in the real world. However, mathematical formulas do not describe individual physical circles, triangles, or rectangles. They describe ideal shapes that are objects of the mind. The incredible precision of mathematical expression permits a vast applicability of mental abstractions to real life situations.

Social reality is composed of many standards and inventions that facilitate communication, but which are ultimately objects of the mind. For example, money is an object of the mind which currency represents. Similarly, languages signify ideas and thoughts.

Convenient fictions also occur in science.

The theoretical posits of one era's scientific theories may be demoted to mere objects of the mind by subsequent discoveries: some standard examples include phlogiston and ptolemaic epicycles.

This raises questions, in the debate between scientific realism and instrumentalism about the status of current posits, such as black holes and quarks. Are they still merely intentional, even if the theory is correct?

The situation is further complicated by the existence in scientific practice of entities which are explicitly held not to be real, but which nonetheless serve a purpose — convenient fictions. Examples include magnetic centrifugal force, lines of force, centers of gravity, and electron holes in semiconductor theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_of_the_mind

Let's hear that one again,

entities which are explicitly held not to be real, but which nonetheless serve a purpose

If God is Imaginary then God exists.

"Imagination…is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."

(Albert Einstein)


EvF - I can't make sense of you're post, you quoted a lot of stuff haphazardly, I don't know what you're asking of me.

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I do not deny impulse far from it, the Holy Spirit is the greatest impulse, the Will to Create.

This is symbolized in many different ways by different cultures, usually though, they employ sexual imagery. What greater sign of the Creative Spirit is there than the birth of a new child.

In Ireland this was symbolized by the Dagda, depicted as a caveman whose huge penis dragged along the grown symbolizing his creative potency. Being a shaggy caveman, wearing only a sackcloth, he is a simple man, brutish and dumb, but with great power and love. Creation is blind, as is Love as someone already pointed out; Creation is Love.



This artist employs the imagery of the Stag when depicting the Dagda, http://admyrrek.deviantart.com/art/The-Dagda-63550840


A Dagda pendant to be purchased online,


In Egypt they had a god called Atum, representing the state of nothingness before creation, who created the universe by giving himself a blowjob and ejaculating into his own mouth. A related image to this is the Ouroborous, the snake eating it's own tail. Snakes also being another symbol of the penis (the dreaded one-eyed trouser snake)

This is the Word of the Infinite Lord which he spoke after he had come into being:

I am he who came into being in the form of Khepera, the Eternally Becoming, and I created all that has ever come into being, this that proceeds from me after I have come into being is exceedingly numerous.

The Sky had not yet come into being, the Earth did not yet exist, and the Children of the Earth, and all the creeping things, had not yet become. So I raised all of them out of the waters of Nu, from inert non-being.

There was not yet a place for me to rest my feet; so I moved my heart into action, and my Spirit laid the foundation of things by Maat, the Truth, the Word. I laid the foundations of creation in my heart and there came into being multitudes of created things, which themselves created even greater multitudes, which likewise gave birth to more and more creating things.

I was at that time alone by myself for Shu, the dry air, had not yet emanated from myself and I had not yet spat out Tefnut, the moist waters. There existed no other who could work with me so I gave birth to Shu and Tefnut after embracing my shadow as a wife, making love to my closed hand I ejaculated into my own mouth, thus becoming pregnant.

(Adapted from E. A. Wallis Budge's Legends of the Gods)

The sexual imagery employed is quite vulgar, but effective.

And of ourse the Hesiod's Theogony we see Eros who proceeds from Chaos, the great fire that creates all things.



In the beginning there was nothing.....and then there was this big bang type thing.

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One last point. While the Great Fire (usually, although not always, represented as the sun) is creative, minor fires can be destructive.

Selfish destructive fires harm the individual.

A Classic depiction of Hell.



As an example they can turn you into this,



Or this,



Or more likely this (although that looks like fun, every now and then is ok I suppose)


But you DO NOT want to end up like this,


Self-control isn't a religious concept, it's spiritual (Spirit meaning Will, Spirituality concerns itself with how you live you're life.) And we're all spiritual. It's just that religious people believe in a primordial all powerful Spirit of infinite potency. Whereas the atheist....I dunno, what do you think the energy behind Big Bang is anyway?

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Anyone wanna see the Sheela-na-gig? It's a belter.