(August 4, 2009 at 10:27 am)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 4, 2009 at 9:51 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: The universe (the wider universe or multiverse) was never created, has always existedWhether something has always existed or not, says nothing about whether it was created or not.
Um ... if something has ALWAYS existed then it can't have been created ... doh!!!!
(August 4, 2009 at 10:27 am)Jon Paul Wrote: It only describes for how much of the duration of the temporal reality it is describing it has existed. And since the universe embodies temporal reality, the universe has indeed "always existed", since always denotes temporal existence, and universe means the spatiotemporal reality in its entirity (otherwise we are not talking about the universe .. there can never be "two universes", since universe means everything).
I specifically stated THE MULTIVERSE ... SLAP!!!!!
(August 4, 2009 at 10:27 am)Jon Paul Wrote: Angels are outside the temporal realm, but that does not make them uncreated.
Nope ... the multiverse is the sum totality of everything!
(August 4, 2009 at 10:27 am)Jon Paul Wrote: Indeed, the only fact that tells us that we and our world and universe is created, is that it exists (is actual potentiality, or active potency) at all.
Bollocks!!!!
Kyu
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