I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!

[Jon Paul]

But the problem with this is that you say, "objective morality can only come from god, so atheists can't have any say in matters moral, as that would be subjective" But I say, morality comes from people, and as such, I'm very well qualified to make moral judgements.

And that's exactly what my argument says that you say.

Your argument is based on an assumption that morality has to be objective,

.. to transcend subjective minds and thus have any bearing which is more than subjective. For any subjective individuals viewpoint is as good as any others, if it is merely subjective and there is no objective standard (God) which transcends ALL of them, as in Christianity.

I don't believe that you need an "outside, transcendent standard" to talk about morality, since morality is a human invention

Again you repeat what I already know, that morality is in your view merely the invention and convention of subjective minds.

So unless you have evidence that a) morality is objective, and b) is god-given, you're simply asserting.

I am indeed simply asserting and analysing what morality is in one worldview, and what it is in another. In the atheist worldview, morality is merely a matter of subjective convention, and has no objective authority beyond the authority of any other subjective idea, and since you can come up with your own subjective view of it, there is no way any convention of morality is an authority over subjective individuals. All that remains is subjective minds and arbitrary ideas which can be ignored with no transcendental consequence. Indeed there is no "wrong" or "right", no "good" or "evil", these are just arbitrary human subjective abstractions; nothing is less permitted than anything else: everything is permitted, as long as it's possible within the realm of reality. Killing 20 babies and raping their dead bodies? Fine. No problem.

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I judge god by our terrestrial laws and moral codes not so called divine mandates.And I don't believe that without god there would be no morality or the ability to discern right from wrong.

But those "terrestrial laws and moral codes" have no objective or transcendental authority over a non-existing God or anyone else. They are merely subjective arbitrary conventions, a product of human minds.

Morality in my opinion is a societal and cultural phenomenon just like religion.

Surprise! Well, that's weird, because that's exactly what I've been saying from the beginning that atheism reduces morality to: subjective arbitrary convention with no transcendent bearing or objective authority. "Good" and "evil" become meaningless terms.. subjective and arbitrary abstractions, that's all.