(February 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Abracadabra Wrote:
Just about all Christian theologians, clergy, evangelists, and organized Christian religions hold out that a person must acknowledge that Jesus is "The Christ", that he is "Lord and Savior" and that he is the "Only begotten Son of the God of Abraham".
They also basically demand that for a person to be 'saved' they must ask Jesus for forgiveness, and there is 'no other way' to God but through these two things:
1. You must acknowledge and confess that Jesus is Lord.
2. You must repent your sins and ask Jesus for forgiveness in order to be "saved".
They get this crazy idea from various verses contained within the Biblical cannon. The most popular verses used are where John proclaims that a belief that Jesus is the Son of God is mandatory.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And they also often point the verse where Jesus himself supposedly proclaims that people can only get to God through him.
John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
So the Christians hold that there is simply no way to get to God but through the recognition of Jesus as being the divine son of God and only by requesting his forgiveness will anyone be accepted by Jesus.
However, these fables do not support this view.
When Jesus is on the cross at Calvary these fables clearly have Jesus stating the following:
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Here, Jesus is asking that people who are clearly mocking him, and not recognizing his divinity, and certainly not asking him for forgiveness be forgiven for the know not what they do.
This totally flies in the face of John's demand that anyone who merely does not recognize the divinity of Jesus are automatically condemned.
Jesus himself is clearly renouncing John's demands at this point and clearly asking the Father to forgive these people who are ruthless mocking him, blatantly denying his divinity, and nowhere near prepared to ask him to forgive them for anything.
These people are in complete violation of everything that the Christians demand a person must do in order to receive the grace of Jesus. Yet, in spite of what the Christians demand, Jesus forgives these people on the grounds that they know not what they do.
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So the Christians are demanding that Jesus will not forgive people who do not believe in him and/or refuse to ask him to forgive their sins.
Yet, these very fables have Jesus clearly violating what the Christians demand that he must be like.
These are just Christian lies that cannot be supported by this cannon of fables.
If Jesus himself is willing to forgive people "in-person" who are actively mocking him, beating him to a pulp, and nailing him to a pole, then clearly he's not going to require that people believe in him 2000 years later based on nothing more than highly contradicting hearsay rumors.
The "Christians" who demand that Jesus is like that are extreme hypocrites no less so that the Pharisees that Jesus called hypocrites.
They are attempting to use Jesus as a weapon of hatred to renounce anyone who refuses to support their egotistical demands of what Jesus must be like. When in fact, the cannon of fables itself cannot even be used to support that idea.
Christian hatred toward non-believers held out in the name of Jesus is the greatest Christian lie ever created by mankind. Even these fables do not support such utter lies. Whether the fables themselves be true or not is totally irrelevant. Christians are grossly misrepresenting Jesus even based on what these fables have to say.
According to these fables, 'All judgment has been handed over to Jesus':
John.5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
And according to Jesus, people should be forgiven if they merely know not what they do:
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Therefore the claims of the Christians that it's mandatory (or even important) that anyone recognized Jesus as being divine, or ask him for forgiveness are totally unsupportable claims.
Apparently you can spit in Jesus' face, mock him, strip him of his clothes, beat him to a pulp, nail him to a pole, and he'll still forgive you!
According to these scriptures that's how Jesus will judge people. And according to these scriptures all judgment has been turned over to Jesus.
So the Christians are liars. They lie about their very own Jesus. And apparently John lied about Jesus too even within these very fables.
Based on these fables Jesus does not require that anyone believe that he was divine, or that they seek or ask him for forgiveness. All they need to do is not be fully aware that what they are doing is wrong, and that's more than sufficient for Jesus to forgive them.
Jesus will clearly forgive everyone of everything save for perhaps the most blatant hardened criminals who might actually 'know' what they are doing.
But your average Joe on the street will clearly be automatically forgive by Jesus, even if he's an atheist who openly mocks Jesus, for the Bible tells us so. Jesus will indeed forgive such people quite easily. It's right there in the Bible. You can call Jesus names and nail him to a pole, and he'll still forgive you.
So the Christians are liars if they try to claim otherwise.
Why do so many Christians insist on lying about Jesus?
You need to get back on your meds before you completely lose it. You hang an entire argument on one verse that you have no understanding of, why would one verse that you completely distort cancel out the many, showing only through belief in Christ and forgiveness of sin can one be saved. Let me guess you want an insurance policy, just in case you're wrong, doesn't work that way. Only walking in the Way will get you there.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
