RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 8, 2009 at 8:55 pm
(This post was last modified: August 8, 2009 at 8:59 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 8, 2009 at 8:34 pm)Ace Wrote: If I am to consider god a possibility I must do the same with all superstitious beings and thought up characters. God is no differant from santa, easter bunny and I think you know the rest. They are all on the same level until evidence seperates imagination from reality. Did god create everything or he never actually existed. Did santa do it? Did Jad do it?What you call God is irrelevant.
God is called God in English, Allah in Arabic, Elohim in Hebrew, etc.
What is relevant is what you predicate of God.
If you predicate materiality, spatiality and temporality to to the creator of the universe, which you inherently do if you say the easter bunny is the creator of the universe, then you are in fact contradicting yourself, because your are predicating constituents of the spatiotemporal, material universe to the creator who either transcends all those constituents or does not, and is therefore not the creator but a part of the universe itself, like the easter bunny or the FSM or Santa Claus.
(August 8, 2009 at 8:34 pm)Ace Wrote: All names and purposes that can be ultered for a being that is very improbable.As Dawkins says, in Climbing Mount Improbable, improbability does not preclude actuality (as Arcanus pointed out). But my claim of God has nothing even to do with probability, as probability is merely the likelihood from our limited knowledge of the totality of the universe, of a thing to take place and become actual within the already-existing universe.
(August 8, 2009 at 8:50 pm)Ace Wrote: But what makes you think that we are miserable? Did you know there is a third option when it comes to religion? There is always a good and bad side in religion's view but there is a third path and that is no religion at all. Have nothing to do with it.I am quite aware of that. I was only clarifying Christian viewpoints.
As atheists we don't believe in souls, hell, heaven or god. So no worries. Nothing to fear.
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton
-G. K. Chesterton