(August 8, 2009 at 8:46 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 8, 2009 at 8:43 pm)amw79 Wrote: Sorry JP and others. I wanted to stay out of all this and remain silent - I really did! But this comment "the miserableness of our own soul", really fucking 'got my goat'. Even accepting a notion of the soul (I'll call it the self in order to avoid any spiritual connotations), this comment just goes to show what Catholicism is based on, the idea of self-deprecation, which consequently provides the need for salvation or redemtion, which can only be given to us by, you've guessed it - a divine authority.The first step in spiritual growth and progress is recognising that there is a problem, or in other words, that our spiritual state is low and unacceptable ("the miserableness of our own soul"). The next step is then to rise above that miserableness.
(August 8, 2009 at 8:43 pm)amw79 Wrote: If your soul is miserable, and I suspect it is (what with that pesky original sin to deal with), speak to a qualified councilor, rather than attempt to pass your miserableness, off as my miserableness. I'm rather a happy fella as my friends will testify.What I did was exactly to say that we as Christians should not go around pretending to be God and damning other peoples souls to hell, but to the contrary focus on the miserableness of our own soul, not that of OTHERS.
So rather than saying our soul. What you mean is your soul. As you can't possibly comment on the state of anyone else's soul.
