RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2009 at 1:30 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I haven't called you a "name."I never said you called me a name. I said you called names, by calling my rational epistemically justified and properly basic belief in God "beliving in fairy tales", which is a caricature, and of course the best (non-)argument you could come up with.
(August 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Ace Wrote: Call your god what you will or how you view it. It makes no difference. It makes no difference if your god is christian, muslim, thor, mars or any other. They are all one big character used to explain the big question of how and why we are here. The god claim in general is rejected. Notions mean nothing.Again, you are addressing other beliefs and characters, rather than my argument. A notion means nothing apart from the argument; but in the argument, the notion of God as actus purus is the conclusion, not the premise.
(August 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Ace Wrote: Your god is just a thought up character that came from your head.Most scientific theories are thought up theories that come from scientists heads, for instance, evolution, which was developed in a process of thinking, in a process of intellectual emanation from the intellection inside the head of humans.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't describe a real thing, a real phenomenon in the case of evolution. It certainly does. That's the point with thinking, understanding reality.
(August 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Ace Wrote: If I made the same argument for the spaghetti monster how would you argue it? "The spaghetti monster is exactly total voidness of potentiality, and pure actuality."But the spaghetti monster is NOT void of potentiality; it is a material, spatiotemporal being, and pure actuality means transcending all attributes of impure actuality, such as matter, time, and space.
The FSM clearly is composed of matter, it is clearly flying in space and is therefore in space and a part of the universe, it is clearly temporal; it exists in time. All together, it is clearly impure actuality because it has all the attributes of a thing within the universe.
If you state that "it's not", then you are simply contradicting the very nature of the notion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster; which is a spatiotemporal and material being.
And you have no argument to support the actual existence of it; I have presented a thorough argument to support the existence of pure actuality, wholly transcendent to time, space and matter.
(August 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm)Ace Wrote: God is no more likely than any other thought up character. No matter what you say, this fact remains a constant."No matter what you say, this remains a constant". That's what I call blind, arbitrary dogmatism. You cannot evaluate or even understand arguments. You can just repeat your blind dogmatism.
Just like an evangelical American will say "Evolution is a thought up idea. No matter what you say, this remains a constant".
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton
-G. K. Chesterton