RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 10, 2009 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2009 at 12:28 pm by Ace Otana.)
Wrong again. Material is energy and is extremely important for anything that exists. It's energy which is also material that allows the sun to exist and burn and even allows us to think. Being beyond material is being beyond the forms of life and non-life. You have made a contradiction where you once mentioned that god is part of the universe but the universe is made up of energy/material and your god is not. Your god is just a figmentation like santa , fsm and many others. FSM is a non-material character because it has no energy. It has no material in order to exist.
Energy/material's are all governed by laws of physics. Your god is not above any of these laws. UNLESS! He is not energy/material and so cannot possibly exist within the material world(reality) and so is not governed by the laws of physics. Now being in the realm of non-material means it cannot be proven nor dis proven. So you use the material world as some footprint that's not really there to use as explanations for your god. Now likely hood is as important as anything else. It's because we cannot prove that it's impossible to exist within the non-material realm we therefor class it due to it's lack of supporting evidence that it is classed as very improbable.
The laws are simple and easy to understand. Either you are made of nothing and therefor governed by nothing and therefor cannot possibly exist within the world of matter/energy and laws. I don't say it cannot exist but cannot exist in the material world that is governed by the laws of nature.
So really god can do fuck all because he does not exist within the material world and so therefor doesn't actually exist. Everything you see, hear or feel is energy. We can think because of energy and movements are also energy. If god is non-material he is non-energy and non-energy cannot effect energy. Non-material argument is one of the worst you can use to defend the existence of god because it breaks every law that governs energy and matter. laws that govern the earths rotation, the suns gravitation pull, light and heat for which life is dependant on.
Despite the non-physical god of yours, it cannot be proven to be impossible and nor can it be proven to be true. But I seriously doubt the existence of a god that is made up of nothing. Nothing often means = not real.
For example. A glass of water is matter. It is energy. It will remain where it is. The earths gravity will continue to pull the glass and water towards the earth. The only way you can move this glass of water is with another material/energy source that is governed by laws of nature. What would be impossible is for a being made of non-material to move it.
I want you, jon, to explain to me how god is non-material and is able to effect the material world that is governed by laws of nature.
It turns out that non-material is an argument made a long time ago but has many errors with it.
Energy/material's are all governed by laws of physics. Your god is not above any of these laws. UNLESS! He is not energy/material and so cannot possibly exist within the material world(reality) and so is not governed by the laws of physics. Now being in the realm of non-material means it cannot be proven nor dis proven. So you use the material world as some footprint that's not really there to use as explanations for your god. Now likely hood is as important as anything else. It's because we cannot prove that it's impossible to exist within the non-material realm we therefor class it due to it's lack of supporting evidence that it is classed as very improbable.
The laws are simple and easy to understand. Either you are made of nothing and therefor governed by nothing and therefor cannot possibly exist within the world of matter/energy and laws. I don't say it cannot exist but cannot exist in the material world that is governed by the laws of nature.
So really god can do fuck all because he does not exist within the material world and so therefor doesn't actually exist. Everything you see, hear or feel is energy. We can think because of energy and movements are also energy. If god is non-material he is non-energy and non-energy cannot effect energy. Non-material argument is one of the worst you can use to defend the existence of god because it breaks every law that governs energy and matter. laws that govern the earths rotation, the suns gravitation pull, light and heat for which life is dependant on.
Despite the non-physical god of yours, it cannot be proven to be impossible and nor can it be proven to be true. But I seriously doubt the existence of a god that is made up of nothing. Nothing often means = not real.
For example. A glass of water is matter. It is energy. It will remain where it is. The earths gravity will continue to pull the glass and water towards the earth. The only way you can move this glass of water is with another material/energy source that is governed by laws of nature. What would be impossible is for a being made of non-material to move it.
I want you, jon, to explain to me how god is non-material and is able to effect the material world that is governed by laws of nature.
It turns out that non-material is an argument made a long time ago but has many errors with it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
