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Why do i need to read them? All they will do is argue that somehow their "race" gives them a "right" over the land. they dont own that land. Look at your long drawn out history post of how the land has been renamed this and that, and you dont agree with it being this or that...

YOU...CANT....OWN...LAND...

therefore nationalism is just like believing in god...it is a delusion.

We do have a right over this land by the right of the sword. If anyone thinks that they can throw us out, let them try as they did before. We came here a thousands years ago, and have ousted the multitudes of others to earn our place here. These lands have been our primary base in all our battles and raids all over Europe, Asia and the Meditteranian. Who now will claim that this is not our land? If someone lays such a claim they first must beat us to the ground, and then proclaim that we cannot own this land. We do.
And hell if I care that these lands have been renamed and beset by many nations in the past. What only counts is that these did not make it.

Let me guess: ALLAH gave you those lands?

amiright?

did your imaginary friend tell you that you own those lands? No? So you are claiming a "racial" tie to the land? How does your "race" give you claim to that land?

Like I said before..nationalism is a sickness. Thinking that you own land is a delusion. Mehmet, you are sorely ignorant and delusional.

We did. I've already explained it on my reply above. We've faced many hardships trying to assert our control and ownership. It is rightfully ours.
Call it a delusion, while you hold on to the deed of your house, your car keys, or whatever you think that belongs to you. If you can own these, you can own land by the right of your power.
The state gives you legal rights on the house you live in. The people give you the rights to live on the lands that your house now occupies.
You do not need nationalism to tell you this. However, you need nationalism to hold on to the idea that you're a nation in the first place.

Let me explain: the poles did not have a country of their own for many years. Boundaries might change, demographics, might change. But the idea of a nation does remain. Why on earth have the poles held on to the notion of having their own nation, even though they were under German rule? Due to nationalism. Madame Curie who was a Pole named an element after her people, and the country that was annexed by the German empire long ago.
As you see, nationalism is nothing but an elementary emotion, a real sense of belonging that people feel and share with eachother.

Really? Besides an alpha males forced ability to rape as many females as he wants, exactly where do you find heirarchy in nature? The queen of a hive isnt even seen to have authority. She is a prisoner of forced rape and reproduction. I suggest you get an education about these things before you try to hold a conversation about them and make yourself look more of an ass than you already do.

Really really?
Let's see. The existence of an alpha female, like for example in a lion pride, where she coordinates the movements of her collegues in a hunt?
The hive queen was not an example that I had in mind, but the notion of hierarchy was born out of "the survival of the fittest", and usually the strongest individual expressed dominance over the others, and many animals, mostly great apes have been shown to have complex social structures and forms of hierarchy and leadership.
I guess you don't read much, you're just blinded by your stupid ideal of some dreamland, as to actually reflect this ideal to nature, where it prevails, even if in a very primitive form.

humanity

Humanity? Who is that?

With no heirarchy, then freedom has been acheived. Insert a heirarchy and freedom has been removed. You are delusional and have been convinced that slavery equals freedom.

Break your chains.

The concept of freedom you have is the delusion, which cannot be archived without some sort of institution that provides order.
And this can only be archived via a hierarchy, where orders are given, received and carried out. If you tell me to go and simply work in the waterworks in the city, and if I don't feel like working at that day, I might simply not.
Who is going to tell me that I must work? Who will pay me for my efforts?
What exactly am I going to buy with whatever they pay me?
You set before me a hypothetical "paradise", which rather sounds like it's been out of some holy book, and expect me to believe that it will bring freedom, rather than barbarism?

Have you been paying attention? There is no such thing as "property". It is a delusion. You dont own it. Nobody can own it.

Then I figure that you will not go to the police if someone steals from your house, or if someone asks you your wallet?
I don't own it, you can have it?
Or take it if you can?
If nobody can own it, then someone has to own it and distribute it to the people. And that happens in communism, the only way it's going to happen, ever.

Most nationalists will kill their elderly because they see them as a drain on society.

Look how he distributes false information. I wonder where you got this, nationalists are always very respectful of their elders, and take care of them the best way they can. I don't know where you shat this out, but it's hilarious.

Look at the racism come out of this one. Racist fascist who hints at genocide. You fucking disgust me.

Hints at genocide? Where? But true, in the world, one only trusts the ones of his own blood at first, which is why there are ethnic enclaves even in a country like the USA.

Like the Orkhun inscriptions read:"Return to thyself, Turk, as you do that, you shall become strong."

And like our founder Atatürk has said, "The might you need is within the noble blood within your veins."
We have placed our trust into our own kindred, our own blood.

right...LOL...because nationalism has NOTHING to do with imperialism...LOL...

Actually, imperialism is the polar opposite of nationalism.
If you look at how the British, French and Ottoman empire has split up, you will see a long range of nationalistic uprisings.
Gandhi was a prominent indian nationalist, for example, he aided in the foundation of a country which was based on the name of his own nation, in a land called "India". He aided into the creation of a national industry, ousted the fabric of the foreign, imperialist english, and was quite sympathetic to our own nationalist goals of independence and national awakening.
If you think that nationalism has something to do with imperialism, outside the fact that nationalism is the opposite of imperialism, you also must hate Gandhi, for he proposed the creation of an Indian nation, independent from the British, in their own country.

I am of your blood. Everyone on this planet is of your blood. You are a scientific illiterate.

No, you are not. The fact that we're both homo saphiens does not change the fact that I'm not of you, and you're not of me.

Right...because Jesus, er, I mean Allah granted your people the ownership of the land. Yet strangely turks have not been able to keep it. Gee, I wonder why?

Maybe because they dont own it?

Keep it? We do keep it right now. In fact, we've been holding on it for like a thousand years, and have seen countless invasions, opposition and a world war and a treaty that was aimed to dismember our people by splitting us up. But we're still here, friend.
We aren't going anywhere, instead, we will unite to become more stronger than ever.

Oh, I see. It isnt because of Allah or blood...its because your people have pissed all over Turkey. That makes it yours.
Last I checked animals piss on everything and consider everything their property...just like you consider Turkey your property...yet you call ME a savage.
Fascism and racism sucks a donkey dick

It's as you said it, it's name is Türkiye, which means the land of Turks. Meaning, it's the land of the Turks. Can the name be any more descriptive?
Our people have paid for these lands with their blood, and the blood of their enemies.
I do not call you a savage, I call you a "noble savage", for you fit the description of the "noble savage" type of a red indian that was prominent in fictious stories about red indians, that they supposedly did not lay claim on land. Well, they did, like all humans did, fought and died for land.
But at the end, the strong always prevail. Our people are strong, and we have prevailed in the lands of Turan. Our only weakness is that we're divided for the moment, but will reunite, and hopefully, bring about a new golden age.