(March 19, 2012 at 8:41 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm)mediamogul Wrote: My point being that this is exactly what you are asking us to do! You have a book and in it you say was written that god spoke to these people or "inspired" their stories. You ask me for evidence when I make exactly the same claims and rightly you should. However, when we ask you for evidence you say that it is not a matter of evidence, fact, or logic but instead faith. Do you see the problem? You have no reason to believe what I said anymore than I have reason to believe what you said. There are lots of people in the world holding books that have stories written in them that said god spoke to them. Stories you know are untrue because they can't be. It's easy to see it when it is someone else's religion. So why is it you think that just because YOU happen to be the one holding the book now that says god spoke to someone that it has any more validity than the others?
You assume too much that is why i said you should first identify the method in which I verify your claims.
If you had we would have went back to the old book, and then you would want verification that the book is what it says it is correct?
Then i would point to the promises in that book made to the follower of the precepts that were written in the book. Then i would turn to where these promises were realized in my life. Thus (for me) confirming the validity of the passages in said book.
You guys have been arguing the same old arguments so long you just assume your own arguments to be completely true all of the time no matter the circumstance.. Kinda sounds like the same kind of blind faith "we" are labeled with most of the time.
What you seem to misunderstand is that the bible was Not compiled in such a way to meet the imperial standards of modern objectification and reason. It was in fact written to a different people in a different time. To these people personal proof reigned supreme, because they were taught not to allow others think or interpret for you when you can experience for yourself.
The bible is written/geared toward and full filled through one on one contact between the believer and God.
God did not write his text to just the people who live in the 18th century and later. He wrote to the one who could humble himself far enough to earnestly Ask Seek and Knock for Him.
Right. So let me get this straight. When YOU are holding the book it is a personal, faith type thing that makes the book true. But when I am holding the book you need evidence and proof. You still haven't answered my question: Why is it that you require proof from me or other religions and not from your own. I'm just asking for a simple straight direct answer.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire