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Dilemma for theists!
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
(March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: False dilemma based on an incorrect understanding of heaven and hell. Heaven and hell are not places. Each describes the soul's spiritual condition in relationship to god. It's not possible for an evil person to be in a heavenly state. Nor is it possible for a good person of good intent to be in a hellish one.

Please notice I made no reference to religious affiliation or lack thereof.
(emphasis mine)


Yes, but you did made a bunch of claims there as I marked. Please explain your reasoning there. And provide evidence for a 'spiritual condition'. While you're at it, provide evidence that we have a 'soul'.
PS- and define 'soul', 'god', 'heaven' and 'hell' while you're at it.

I answered the question directly to show how it presented a straw man. The concepts for which you desire clarification and proof are currently being discussed on other threads in depth using a serious approach.
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Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by znk666 - March 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by NoMoreFaith - March 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Minimalist - March 22, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Modular Moog V - March 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by simplexity - April 20, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by King_Charles - April 16, 2012 at 5:06 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Napoléon - March 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Whateverist - March 24, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Rayaan - March 22, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by LastPoet - March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by 5thHorseman - March 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Nine - March 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by kılıç_mehmet - March 22, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by downbeatplumb - March 23, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Neo-Scholastic - March 24, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Cinjin - March 24, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Welsh cake - March 24, 2012 at 4:53 am
RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 7:41 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Phil - March 25, 2012 at 3:11 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Darwinian - March 25, 2012 at 3:12 am
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RE: Dilemma for theists! - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 5:53 pm
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