RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 13, 2009 at 7:11 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2009 at 7:16 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 13, 2009 at 6:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: It does not begin and end with presupposing Christianity! It ends with presupposing Christianity so therefore you need to begin by presupposing Christianity!So therefore, the Christians, who happened to formulate this argument, who already believed in Christianity were right in doing so, and the atheists wrong in not doing so. I've already said it's an analytic argument, that analyses already-existing worldviews. That doesn't make it circular, it means it's analysis of actually existing beliefs in reality.
(August 13, 2009 at 6:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: but all it really does is validate an existing Christian worldview.Exactly. It validates one worldview and falsifies another. The premise for doing so is that those worldviews already existed; and they obviously did, as foundational beliefs or non-beliefs.
(August 13, 2009 at 6:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: You are succeeding in expanding my vocabulary as well as philosophical knowledge though so thanks!That's what's great about philosophical discussion. Besides, when learning new words, we also learn new things about what the words refer to.
Rhizo
(August 13, 2009 at 6:51 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: So you are trying to provide several arguments at once JP. A suggestion then, a little tip: Demonstrate just one of them to be at all evidence for GodThey are themselves demonstrations and evidence of God. [they are arguments that arrive at the conclusion of Gods existence]
As to whether you will accept them, I am afraid I consider it irrelevant.
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton
-G. K. Chesterton