(March 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote:Ah, the "those aren't true christians" fallacy - a variant of the "no true Scotsman fallacy." Since they don't think/act as you do, they must not be Real Christians . Every atheist forum I have ever been a member of is littered with threads started by believers who tell atheists that we couldn't possibly be moral people because we are atheists. You may not be one of them, but there are more than enough of them out there - unless you have been appointed as the arbitrator of who is and is not a christian.(March 25, 2012 at 12:55 pm)Sciwoman Wrote: It wouldn't be such an issue if christians didn't keep claiming that they lived on some higher moral plane than the rest of us.
True Christians know that they don't.
(March 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote: The only difference between us and you, is the fact that we all have chosen to Live with God for eternity. Everything else sin, pride, shame, foolish behavior matches you guys stroke for stroke.
It like if God's standard for righteousness is measured by the distance between a dock in NY and one in London. Our morality is represented by the distance we travel if we decided to jump from the one dock in NY to the corresponding dock in London. The unbeliever does a standing long jump, and falls a few feet past the dock in the water. Say The Best Christian History has every known, under his own steam makes a running leap and he lands just a few feet past the other guy who made the standing long jump. Neither one bridged the gap to even be close to cover the distance between NY and London.
So how Does the Christian make it to London and the non believer does not? God sends a boat, and the believers get on. That's it. nothing special about getting aboard a ship when offered the opportunity. Especially when the trip is offered to everyone.
The rest of this is just sermon filler that I've heard more times than I can count, both during my years as a christian and after.
Religion is not the answer-it is the problem. Everything considered, we would be better off without it.~Baubles of Blasphemy~Edwin F. Kagin
"Much better to have the ability to think critically, than the ability to quote scripture. One says you have a functioning mind. The other says you're a parrot." -- The Secular Buddhist
"Much better to have the ability to think critically, than the ability to quote scripture. One says you have a functioning mind. The other says you're a parrot." -- The Secular Buddhist