Quote:They can exist without God, only if and only if, God is not a necessary being, which is just a restatement of whether God is necessary for the existence of the universe or not, and of course as an atheist, you presuppose that he is not:I am Agnostic and presume no such things such as a he and a not.
Quote: The scenario of our universe described by the argument from potentiality versus actuality, exactly answers why it (impure actuality) cannot exist without God (pure actuality).
You cannot get past your belief in God with this answer. This answer is draped in hypo-thesis. It is based in the mythology of God and not one iota of factual evidence.
You argue your case for God from your left brain, chopping and sorting your case into seperate bits, while defending your arguement from your Global minded right brain. This is highly narcissistic and why you are being told your arguement is circular and going nowhere. It's equivalent to playing Dodgeball with someone who has one set of rules for when I throw the ball and a different set of rules that favor you for when you throw the ball.
Although this is very clever, it is clever in manipulation only, and really isn't helping you to evolve consciously because you are deleting and distorting all sorts of information here.
What would it mean to you to convince me that God as you know "him" exists?
If you could convince every atheist and agnostic on the planet would that be enough?
If everyone on Earth saw God exactly like you do would you feel complete then?
Would you feel seen?
Would you have inner peace?
Or maybe you believe that at that moment Our Lady Of Fatima would appear to us all?
What if you didn't need to prove God to anyone?
....Imagine
discovering that you are an ethical person because it feels good to be ethical/moral and that's enough,
Imagine that you aren't your ego-that you don't have to cling to an identity as a believer in order to feel good about being you.
Imagine when someone dies too damned soon that you don't have to repress your anger in a cloak of shame because God needed them in heaven.
Imagine the freedom of just being alive being purpose enough.
Imagine that you don't have to justify your existence on a myth based on an Egyptian Sun God from 5000 B.C.,
Who you are is just as important and insignificant without a myth, because you are the myth maker. You are the power of belief.
"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams." Willie Shakespeare.
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Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Frisbeetarianism; The belief that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck...
George Carlin
Frisbeetarianism; The belief that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck...
George Carlin
