(August 14, 2009 at 2:08 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: He's complex because he is capable of doing such incredible stuff, of transcending, he has amazing superhuman power - he's supernatural after all - he is superintelligent, and even without all this, simply the fact that he can create the universe and be there right from the outset without any explanation for him:This makes him more complex than the universe itself - it would be far less complex to just say the universe was there before God. 'The Universe + God' is more complex than just 'The Universe.' If the universe is to need an explanation then God is too, if the universe isn't, then we can just say the universe was always there and to add God into the equation is, once again, unnecessary; it's gratuitious.Again, you have nothing to offer when it comes to arguing why God is complex. You define complexity as you want to, and therefore, I am not going to go into a semantic battle with you. I have at least defined complexity, as composition, and mutability which means the potential for an almost unlimited amount of new complexities and multiplicities and oppositions within the composite system. According to what I -at least definitively and coherently- understand with complex, God is not complex, God is absolutely simple.
As for the rest, EvF, you have miscomprehended my arguments, you have attacked them as "semantic", without providing any refutation or actual adressing of them, because why refute what is just semantic and needs no refutation? That's why it's such an easy escape clause. I can't waste time with such escape clauses though. All I can say is that we have radically different views of things, and I don't think any more discussion will be fruitful because of the radical incompatibility of our worldviews. No one will convince anyone else, anyway.
The people who are the most bigoted are the people who have no convictions at all.
-G. K. Chesterton
-G. K. Chesterton