(August 14, 2009 at 10:13 am)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 14, 2009 at 7:00 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Like I say there's a definition but as far as I know there is no law despite your claim that it existsTheres no law? The law of contradiction is just imagination, isn't true? In that case, there is a law of contradiction, because saying that there isn't is invoking it by positing a contradiction between there not being a law of contradiction and there being one.
As far as I can tell yes, there is no such law in fact I've just asked my wife if she's aware of such a law ... she said no, she'd never heard of one and you should be aware at this point that my wife teaches English at a Canterbury university and acts as support to many students across a range of subjects including English, theology, philosophy and science amongst others. Obviously that doesn't disprove the claimed existence of such a law but it does show that my mystification with your claim that there is one is not unreasonable.
(August 14, 2009 at 10:13 am)Jon Paul Wrote: If you deny the existence of the law of contradiction, also, you won't have a problem that I burn and beat you, because being burnt and beaten is obviously the same as not being burnt and beaten, unless there is a contradiction, a mutual exclusion between two exclusive things, in which case the law of contradiction holds true.
Wow! A strawman!
Look, I'm not saying things cant be contradictory, I'm just saying I've never heard of this "Law Of Contradiction" (my emphasis being on your claim that it is a law) ... can you provide a link to an objective site that explains this (over and above the basic idea of contradiction I mean)?
(August 14, 2009 at 10:13 am)Jon Paul Wrote: Again, do you deny the basic experience that tells us the truth of the law of contradiction - that I exist, and cannot both exist in the same sense and the same time, and not exist in the same sense and the same time? If you deny this, then you are the one being rhetorical and wasting time on definitions and semantics, to deny the obvious fact that of this law.
Truth? I don't do truth except as a logical abstraction.
I am not arguing about whether contradictions can or can't happen ... I am questioning whether there is a law concerning it.
Best guess is that in a multi-dimensional universe yes ... we can both exist and not exist at the same time (no idea, maybe in a multiverse time comparisons make no sense). There is also some suggestion that time is not necessarily a one way process (even in this universe) and that the universe is capable of travelling (in a time sense) in both directions and fine tuning itself ... I've no idea how but if that is so I suppose that it would also be possible to exist and not exist at the same time (though not necessarily the same iteration) and place in the same universe.
Then again, what about Schrödinger's cat? Isn't it true that in the scenario where a cat is in a box with a cyanide capsule that may or may not release its contents at any point during its captive stay that the state of the cat is said to be both alive and dead? Personally I think it's alive or dead but then that's just me!
Kyu
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