Hello Truth Seekers

[fr0d0]

You mean compelled in the same way you're compelled to believe in the truck's existence? That would be ridiculous do you agree?

No. What's the difference? You either believe something is so or not right?

No. I see you don't get it.

I think you're making unnecessary hard work of this. Either that or please try to say precisely what you mean, because it's not clear.

You either believe something or you don't. This is the case with a truck, and with anything else. Can I make that any clearer? How is it different with God exactly? You still either believe he exists or you don't!

Your idea contradicts what we observe. How do you conclude that belief in God is completely 100% knowable? Because that's the only way I can see your logic working here. I know no sane person who knows beyond doubt that God exists. If this has been your problem all along, perhaps you can make a breakthrough here.

So I believe to believe in God right?

By belief in belief I mean, you believe that belief in God is good...because if you believe he actually exists then how is that not the same kind of belief as anything else? Either you believe he exists or you don't - just like with everything else! You believe it is so or you don't!

Because he is transcendental. You are insisting he isn't by your statements. Which of course isn't my belief you're talking about, but your own misunderstanding of my belief.

MY use of the word belief is different.

What's your definition here then? You don't mean belief as in believing 'X' exists or not?

I think I've been very clear above and previously with you. I state that belief is a knowledge of something though faith. Not a something that can be simply 'known'.. which would indicate proof.

That's why I bring up transcendentalism. You don't accept transcendentalism. I believe in a transcendental God. You cannot then understand the choice to believe. Simple.

Can you please explain the difference for me? Transcendental or not...how does that change the fact that you either believe it...or you don't? Either X exists or it doesn't.

X's type of existence is unknown by definition (transcendental). Only God = X. The physical universe, Y, is different. It exists actually. Belief in X & Y are known differently. You can never know X like you know Y. (remember this is my reasoning you're trying to understand. You're reasoning denies transcendence).

You're trying to understand my statement, not assert your own beliefs.

I'm trying to do both and comparing. And trying to see what on earth you mean if you don't mean you either believe 'X' exists or you don't. And how exactly that could be any different for God.

It's besides the point tho isn't it? You're never going to explain something you deny in your own words. You're going to have to step outside of your self imposed confinement.

How is belief in God any different to belief in a truck, if we're talking about existence here? It's still a belief in whether something exists or not. And you are either convinced by that or you aren't. So what's the difference between the two?

EvF

Please don't keep repeating yourself. It's very boring!