EvF Wrote:What's the difference? You either believe something is so or not right?
(August 15, 2009 at 7:56 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No. I see you don't get it.
So you are saying that you don't either believe something or not? I would have thought that was....true by definition??
Quote:Your idea contradicts what we observe. How do you conclude that belief in God is completely 100% knowable?I don't. I don't conclude that anything is 'completely 100% knowable', ultimately - I'm agnostic on all matters.
Quote:Because he is transcendental. You are insisting he isn't by your statements. Which of course isn't my belief you're talking about, but your own misunderstanding of my belief.Could you explain it then? You say you've explained it...but however you 'reason about it', how does tha tchange the fact you believe something or you don't as I said above?
Quote:Not a something that can be simply 'known'.. which would indicate proof.
I haven't spoke of proof or knowledge. I'm speaking of evidence and belief.
Quote:X's type of existence is unknown by definition (transcendental).God is unknowable, fine. What's that got to do with what I've been saying?
Quote:The physical universe, Y, is different. It exists actually.So God doesn't then...actually exist? Oh, I thought so lol.
Quote:Belief in X & Y are known differently. You can never know X like you know Y. (remember this is my reasoning you're trying to understand. You're reasoning denies transcendence).
But I'm not talking about whether you can 'know' it or not...I'm talking about whether you do believe it or not. Two different things.
Quote:Please don't keep repeating yourself. It's very boring!
Sorry, I'm doing my best to improve
EvF