Hello Truth Seekers

[fr0d0]

What's the difference? You either believe something is so or not right?

No. I see you don't get it.

So you are saying that you don't either believe something or not? I would have thought that was....true by definition??

Believing in God is different to believing in a truck

Your idea contradicts what we observe. How do you conclude that belief in God is completely 100% knowable?

I don't. I don't conclude that anything is 'completely 100% knowable', ultimately - I'm agnostic on all matters.

Quite. You don't understand. Therefore you're question of my belief is unfounded. It's meaningless to you.

Because he is transcendental. You are insisting he isn't by your statements. Which of course isn't my belief you're talking about, but your own misunderstanding of my belief.

Could you explain it then? You say you've explained it...but however you 'reason about it', how does that change the fact you believe something or you don't as I said above?

You can't accept the transcendental. Surely it's a simple concept to grasp? Of course if you keep on insisting that you won't consider the transcendental then you're never going to get it. How can you transfer the transcendental to the physical? You seem to be asking me to work that one out for you. To me it's madness. You can't. In your reality you never ever will make it fit. It just doesn't. This is getting circular now. Just answer this one point.

X's type of existence is unknown by definition (transcendental).

God is unknowable, fine. What's that got to do with what I've been saying?

How can you conclude irreversibly (as you demand) something unknowable? ..if the horrific absurdity of that doesn't slap you in the face then I give up now. There's no hope for you!

The physical universe, Y, is different. It exists actually.

So God doesn't then...actually exist? Oh, I thought so lol.

I knew you'd have to jump on that one

But I'm not talking about whether you can 'know' it or not...I'm talking about whether you do believe it or not. Two different things.

Now you're advocating a different definition. Previously you said belief = know.

Please don't keep repeating yourself. It's very boring!

Sorry, I'm doing my best to improve

EvF

Stopstealing the moral high ground