(August 15, 2009 at 9:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Believing in God is different to believing in a truckIt is still an existence question is it not? And you still believe he does or does not exist? As with the truck.
(August 15, 2009 at 8:52 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Quote:Your idea contradicts what we observe. How do you conclude that belief in God is completely 100% knowable?I don't. I don't conclude that anything is 'completely 100% knowable', ultimately - I'm agnostic on all matters.
Quote:Quite. You don't understand. Therefore you're question of my belief is unfounded. It's meaningless to you.My question is that whether it's a question of God's existence or a truck, whether God is transcendental or not. It's still an existence question. Either you believe God exists or not, as with the truck. Whether he be transcendental or not, how does that make a difference? The question is still whether you believe he exists...or not.
fr0d0 Wrote:You can't accept the transcendental. Surely it's a simple concept to grasp? Of course if you keep on insisting that you won't consider the transcendental then you're never going to get it. How can you transfer the transcendental to the physical?What has this got to do with whether you believe something exists or not? Transcendental or not transcenental, you either believe it exists or you don't!
Quote: Just answer this one point.My answer is that I'm asking whether you believe something or not. Whether that be something transcendent or something physical is irrelevant.
(August 15, 2009 at 8:52 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: But I'm not talking about whether you can 'know' it or not...I'm talking about whether you do believe it or not. Two different things.
fr0d0 Wrote:Now you're advocating a different definition. Previously you said belief = know.Could you show me where I said that? I am speaking of belief not knowledge. Whether you believe God exists, whether you believe a truck exists, or whatever.
(August 15, 2009 at 8:52 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Quote:Please don't keep repeating yourself. It's very boring!
Sorry, I'm doing my best to improve
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fr0d0 Wrote:Stopstealing the moral high ground
Sorry!!
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