RE: Hello Truth Seekers
August 16, 2009 at 5:18 pm
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2009 at 5:22 pm by omjag86.)
I don't really think it's possible to decide what to believe but I wonder if all we have here is a misunderstanding?
That is a belief about beliefs.
Beliefs are really part of our brain functions to justify ego, to validate identity.
When we become consciously aware of how we use beliefs then they can become a very powerful motivational tool. However, when we are unaware that we are operating from our belief systems trouble ensues.
"Big Boys don't cry" is an example of a belief, born out of a parents desire to repress their childs feelings, which was done unto them. Most unconscious (or subconscious)beliefs are passed down from one generation to the next.
In my family Big Boys don't cry goes back to; "There will be no teardrops in this house," which goes back to our German Christian ancestry of "You don't cry when I beat you, otherwise Dr. Shriebers beating box is a complete waste of money!"
The more a person believes in a thing the harder they will fight to keep that belief, and we experience what that looks like here in this forum all the time-people bashing heads for their beliefs. Frodo is a great example of this, because we see how Frodo will keep arguing Frodo's beliefs as actual facts, and when facts are presented to Frodo, Frodo will either delete, distort, or generalize the fact to fit into Frodo's beliefs about God. That's why we keep seeing people asking Frodo why Frodo didn't answer the question, or "that's not what I'm saying or asking you Frodo."
The problem with beliefs is the more subconscious beliefs you have the more you are filtering your life experience through them. If you had the belief big boys don't cry beaten into you as a child, you would not be able to identify a child being abused by its parents as an adult-it would strike you as perfectly normal and healthy. If you had "God will judge you in heaven," drilled into you as a belief,(Another way for parents to repress their childrens feelings through fear) then as an adult you could expect yourself to unconsciously judge people in that same manner; "I'm not judging you for being an Atheist-God will do that in heaven!" The presumption of course is that the Atheist is bad and will pay. In other words, that God will deliver your repressed feelings of anger unto the non believer.
If you are consciously aware of your beliefs then you could actually communicate your feelings. "It pisses me off when you laugh at my religion." Which is real and tangible and in the present moment. Then you can enter into an actual dialogue.
To me this is what this site is about-debunking beliefs. And if you are trying to debunk a Frodo's beliefs you will get nowhere, because Frodo doesn't know that Frodo is acting from a place of defending Frodo's beliefs at all costs.
Peace In
Omjag86
That is a belief about beliefs.
Beliefs are really part of our brain functions to justify ego, to validate identity.
When we become consciously aware of how we use beliefs then they can become a very powerful motivational tool. However, when we are unaware that we are operating from our belief systems trouble ensues.
"Big Boys don't cry" is an example of a belief, born out of a parents desire to repress their childs feelings, which was done unto them. Most unconscious (or subconscious)beliefs are passed down from one generation to the next.
In my family Big Boys don't cry goes back to; "There will be no teardrops in this house," which goes back to our German Christian ancestry of "You don't cry when I beat you, otherwise Dr. Shriebers beating box is a complete waste of money!"
The more a person believes in a thing the harder they will fight to keep that belief, and we experience what that looks like here in this forum all the time-people bashing heads for their beliefs. Frodo is a great example of this, because we see how Frodo will keep arguing Frodo's beliefs as actual facts, and when facts are presented to Frodo, Frodo will either delete, distort, or generalize the fact to fit into Frodo's beliefs about God. That's why we keep seeing people asking Frodo why Frodo didn't answer the question, or "that's not what I'm saying or asking you Frodo."
The problem with beliefs is the more subconscious beliefs you have the more you are filtering your life experience through them. If you had the belief big boys don't cry beaten into you as a child, you would not be able to identify a child being abused by its parents as an adult-it would strike you as perfectly normal and healthy. If you had "God will judge you in heaven," drilled into you as a belief,(Another way for parents to repress their childrens feelings through fear) then as an adult you could expect yourself to unconsciously judge people in that same manner; "I'm not judging you for being an Atheist-God will do that in heaven!" The presumption of course is that the Atheist is bad and will pay. In other words, that God will deliver your repressed feelings of anger unto the non believer.
If you are consciously aware of your beliefs then you could actually communicate your feelings. "It pisses me off when you laugh at my religion." Which is real and tangible and in the present moment. Then you can enter into an actual dialogue.
To me this is what this site is about-debunking beliefs. And if you are trying to debunk a Frodo's beliefs you will get nowhere, because Frodo doesn't know that Frodo is acting from a place of defending Frodo's beliefs at all costs.
Peace In
Omjag86
(August 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Meditation works, I'd agree. I'd almost count it as necessary. You should try religion - it heightens the experience even more!
"YOUR" offer to try it for free? Does the company not offer that then??
It does but it is not as strong as the first set of Cds.
Seriously... this is nothing to do with atheism, you're just another sucker of New Age bullshit profiteering. Keep it to yourself mate and stop spreading bollocks.
Like I said I thought the same thing for two years, then I tried it and it worked. ANd nothing pisses me off more than New Age Bullshit profiteering-And I am going to put myself in your shoes and I concur that I can see where you would se me as spreading bullocks so I will honor your wish and stop spreading bullocks.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Frisbeetarianism; The belief that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck...
George Carlin
Frisbeetarianism; The belief that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck...
George Carlin
