Are faith, God and love without deeds, dead?

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You're correct, that is what the Catholic Church promotes, I do not believe all Catholics believe what the Catholic Church sells, at least some of the Catholics I know do not buy into all the things the church sells.

Right. And the Protestant church sells salvation by faith alone. It all depends what you are in the market for. Either way salvation is an appeal to selfishness and seeking the reward of heaven and avoiding the punishments of hell. You bought faith others bought works. Neither have any ultimate truth and are just alternate interpretations of the same mythology.

You can be in the market for many things and by into it, this does not mean you haven't bought a forgery. The scriptures are clear that salvation comes by grace from God, meaning salvation is an unmerited gift, which by definition means one can not earn ie. work for their salvation. If one has to work for salvation then faith is dead, simple really. The Protestant Church does not sell salvation, selling means works and works denies faith, not selling, teaching the truth of scripture. Works are to accompany faith after salvation, salvation first then works in faith, simple really.

So how much did you pay for your version? Seems a lot cheaper. In Catholocism one is actually expected to do something. The Protestant version's focus is simply on "right belief" and the acceptance of the sacrifice of jesus for their sins. SO I would say you got the bargain. Both are certainly defective products but hey at least yours didn't cost you an arm and a leg!

Haha. Everybody can cite scripture to prove whatever it is they want to prove. You just picked Luther's cult as opposed to the Papal cult.

No, I chose Biblical truth, and you are some what right, my salvation was a gift from God, as scripture says. Please show me scriptures that say works is the way to salvation, I've defended against this before, hope to see some scriptures that are different, gets boring repeating the same things.

GC lets be honest. You are going to believe what you are going to believe regardless of what i say to you. This is the part where you feign open mindedness and then proceed to restate your beliefs. I don't feel as though a fundamentalist such as yourself is really here for discussion. It's more of a mission.

Also if we want to get really nitpicky about it Catholics state that we are saved through both "the grace of god" and works theirein. One can fall out of favor with god through sin and needs to be reconciled through an intermediary. Enter the church. This move essentially secured the Catholic church as one of the most powerful institutions of the last 1500 years. Convince someone that you hold the key to their salvation and then keep them knee deep in sin so they have to continuously rely upon you to not fall out of favor with god and there you have it recipe for power and wealth. Pretty brilliant and worked like a charm.