RE: Nationalism and secularism
April 22, 2012 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
What a hefty list of rationalizations for abject ignorance you've amassed for yourself. Let's take a look at a few choice examples:
You are not being oppressed. Turkey is a -founding- member of NATO. It wasn't conscripted or drafted into it. You helped us to form it. You are also founding members of The OECD, The OIC, OSCE, ECO, BSEC, and G-20. Turkey is a non-elected permanent member of the UN Security Council. You have benefited directly from the United States throughout the entirety of the Cold War and recently, in your bid to join the European Union. Your armed forces are the second largest standing forces in NATO, and are comprised of weapons largely of US origin. You managed to attract $22billion in FDI recently. You are your own sovereign nation. All that you would hope and dream for has already been accomplished. You're simply dissatisfied with it because it includes people who are the wrong shade of lipstick. Fuck off.
Speaking of the wrong shade of lipstick. You've waffled back and forth in these last two posts between "blood" and culture. How, precisely, would the consortium of cultures speaking the same lingua franca make you (or anyone) "pure-blooded" turk, whilst simultaneously not being capable of making myself, for example, a "pure-blooded" american? That's right, it wouldn't. "Turk" and "American" are identical in this regard. People from many places and many different backgrounds assembled under one banner (at least for a time, if not now) and speaking a common language. Should I start screaming "Rahowa" now? I give you a nice tidy little study and all of a sudden actual blood isn't good enough for you. Archaeology isn't good enough for you? You'd prefer your personal myth structure over genetics and fact? Unsurprising. This again touches on the nature of your faith in bigotry, and to answer your question, I never lost any faith. I never had one. You're going to trot out tired apologetic shit we see day in and day out "Well, maybe there isn't any evidence, but we don't expect that there would be". I remain unconvinced. My knowledge of Turkish history looks to be more competent than your own. I refer to archaeology, linguistics, and genetics. You have myths. If you want to "disprove" -someone else's study- then go do some science. Start by getting yourself sequenced. Get all of your pure-blooded buddies sequenced. Let's see what sort of story your blood has to tell?
You dismiss the empires and accomplishments of others so very easily, why then should we not dismiss your own? You say that these things mean nothing to you, but then go on to claim that they will be the tools you use to establish Turan? Sounds like they mean a great deal to you, if this pipe dream of Turan means anything to you. You know the thing that just astounds the shit out of me here, with the whole Turan bit? You make appeals to your ancestors, but seem to ignore precisely why they did so well. You would exclude this or that peoples as being part of this "Turkic" power, but this isn't how your ancestors accomplished what they did. They went around gathering everyone they could find under their banner, and then attacked a fractured Europe so busy fighting itself that it could not defend it's borders. Culturally diverse and united peoples have consistently beaten the shit out of their enemies since the dawn of time. But this is all besides the point. You have a country, it is a democracy. You want Turan? Make it so. If you can't get the votes, then "you" as in the turkish people, do not want Turan. That would make it the petty little fantasy of a fringe group of racists. Which is precisely what it seems to be......
I've noticed that the strongest rebuttal you seem to have in your toolkit is that I am mixed blood, or simple. One isn't an insult, it's a compliment. Hybrid vigor over racist fairy tales any day of the week. The other seems to be a sigh of frustration. If this mutt were so simple you'd have long ago been able to persuade me to see the light with your well thought out, competent, and factually accurate arguments. You have not, and cannot, because they are not. You know I've finally realized what it is about you that gives me such a soft spot for you even though you consistently fly off at the mouth with shit like this. You remind me very much of my own family.
You are not being oppressed. Turkey is a -founding- member of NATO. It wasn't conscripted or drafted into it. You helped us to form it. You are also founding members of The OECD, The OIC, OSCE, ECO, BSEC, and G-20. Turkey is a non-elected permanent member of the UN Security Council. You have benefited directly from the United States throughout the entirety of the Cold War and recently, in your bid to join the European Union. Your armed forces are the second largest standing forces in NATO, and are comprised of weapons largely of US origin. You managed to attract $22billion in FDI recently. You are your own sovereign nation. All that you would hope and dream for has already been accomplished. You're simply dissatisfied with it because it includes people who are the wrong shade of lipstick. Fuck off.
Speaking of the wrong shade of lipstick. You've waffled back and forth in these last two posts between "blood" and culture. How, precisely, would the consortium of cultures speaking the same lingua franca make you (or anyone) "pure-blooded" turk, whilst simultaneously not being capable of making myself, for example, a "pure-blooded" american? That's right, it wouldn't. "Turk" and "American" are identical in this regard. People from many places and many different backgrounds assembled under one banner (at least for a time, if not now) and speaking a common language. Should I start screaming "Rahowa" now? I give you a nice tidy little study and all of a sudden actual blood isn't good enough for you. Archaeology isn't good enough for you? You'd prefer your personal myth structure over genetics and fact? Unsurprising. This again touches on the nature of your faith in bigotry, and to answer your question, I never lost any faith. I never had one. You're going to trot out tired apologetic shit we see day in and day out "Well, maybe there isn't any evidence, but we don't expect that there would be". I remain unconvinced. My knowledge of Turkish history looks to be more competent than your own. I refer to archaeology, linguistics, and genetics. You have myths. If you want to "disprove" -someone else's study- then go do some science. Start by getting yourself sequenced. Get all of your pure-blooded buddies sequenced. Let's see what sort of story your blood has to tell?
You dismiss the empires and accomplishments of others so very easily, why then should we not dismiss your own? You say that these things mean nothing to you, but then go on to claim that they will be the tools you use to establish Turan? Sounds like they mean a great deal to you, if this pipe dream of Turan means anything to you. You know the thing that just astounds the shit out of me here, with the whole Turan bit? You make appeals to your ancestors, but seem to ignore precisely why they did so well. You would exclude this or that peoples as being part of this "Turkic" power, but this isn't how your ancestors accomplished what they did. They went around gathering everyone they could find under their banner, and then attacked a fractured Europe so busy fighting itself that it could not defend it's borders. Culturally diverse and united peoples have consistently beaten the shit out of their enemies since the dawn of time. But this is all besides the point. You have a country, it is a democracy. You want Turan? Make it so. If you can't get the votes, then "you" as in the turkish people, do not want Turan. That would make it the petty little fantasy of a fringe group of racists. Which is precisely what it seems to be......
I've noticed that the strongest rebuttal you seem to have in your toolkit is that I am mixed blood, or simple. One isn't an insult, it's a compliment. Hybrid vigor over racist fairy tales any day of the week. The other seems to be a sigh of frustration. If this mutt were so simple you'd have long ago been able to persuade me to see the light with your well thought out, competent, and factually accurate arguments. You have not, and cannot, because they are not. You know I've finally realized what it is about you that gives me such a soft spot for you even though you consistently fly off at the mouth with shit like this. You remind me very much of my own family.
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