RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 22, 2012 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 12:37 pm by genkaus.)
Jumping in here.
None, all my responsibilities are of my own choosing.
Bullshit. Even without god, the world is still here and the people are still here. People still act according to their motives and their actions still have consequences. That is the basis for existence of good and evil.
If god created laws of logic then he should be able to break them.
Therefore, god can exist and not exist at the same time.
Therefore, god does not exist - hence proven.
Too easy. The qualities described here are mutually contradictory.
1. Existence, by definition, is spatio-temporal. Something that is non-spatial and non-temporal cannot be said to exist.
2. Actions, motives and thoughts all of which have been attributed to god here are temporal properties, which would not be applicable to a non-temporal being as defined here.
Wrong. Any evidence presented to date has been dismissed not because of some preconceived notion, but because it is bullshit.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:42 am)Jireh Wrote: what objective responsability do you have, if God does not exist ?
None, all my responsibilities are of my own choosing.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:42 am)Jireh Wrote: If God does not exist, good and evyl cannot exist. Everything is relative, and you set your morals, according to your preferences. There is nobody that can say, you are wrong and right. If Hitler thought, he was right in doing, what he did, who can tell him, that is not true, he was wrong ?
Bullshit. Even without god, the world is still here and the people are still here. People still act according to their motives and their actions still have consequences. That is the basis for existence of good and evil.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:42 am)Jireh Wrote: if God created the physical laws, why should he not be able to break them ?
what logical contradictions ?what objective responsability do you have, if God does not exist ?
If god created laws of logic then he should be able to break them.
Therefore, god can exist and not exist at the same time.
Therefore, god does not exist - hence proven.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:42 am)Jireh Wrote: please disrove then, that a God, described as below, can exist :
God is the supreme being of the universe. God is a unbodied mind, He is righteous and just, love, good, free from sin, he is perfect in his character and person, he is righteous in all His attitudes and actions, he is eternal, without a beginning, and without a end, he is omniscient, omnipresent, limitless in authority, immutable, he is the truth. Moreover, God is self-existent, nonspatial, nonmaterial, unimaginably powerful, and personal.
Too easy. The qualities described here are mutually contradictory.
1. Existence, by definition, is spatio-temporal. Something that is non-spatial and non-temporal cannot be said to exist.
2. Actions, motives and thoughts all of which have been attributed to god here are temporal properties, which would not be applicable to a non-temporal being as defined here.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:50 am)Christian Wrote: The problem is that if you believe there is no evidence for God's existence, it would be difficult to attempt to present any evidence to you at all. After all, your presupposition is that "there has never been a shred of evidence" presented. Undoubtedly, any evidence that might be presented for God would be evidence that must be dismissed because, as atheists like you say "there has never been a shred of evidence" for God's existence. So essentially the atheist is saying he wants people to provide him with evidence but it doesn't matter what evidence they provide because he will dismiss it automatically - an action consistent with his belief that "there has never been a shred of evidence" for God's existence.
Wrong. Any evidence presented to date has been dismissed not because of some preconceived notion, but because it is bullshit.
