RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 7:27 am
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 7:38 am by fr0d0.)
(April 24, 2012 at 2:54 am)BrotherMagnet Wrote:erm... you use it?(April 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Your brain.And how do use your brain to deduce God?
(April 24, 2012 at 2:54 am)BrotherMagnet Wrote:Indeed so.(April 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: See a materialist has to say "I don't know" a lot. Nothing wrong with that, except there are a lot of useful things he could know if he made a few intelligent links. Things fall together, a good solution works out from an hypothesis. A materialist almost denies the human ability to think. Thinking is dangerous because it moves out of the realm of certainty.Yes, but there is no reason to move to a place so far outside of certainty that it is just completely made up.
(April 24, 2012 at 2:54 am)BrotherMagnet Wrote:Extraordinary in the sense that he/she is fantastic, awsome, amazing... yes. But contrary to the laws of physics, no.(April 24, 2012 at 2:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You insist that I make extraordinary claims where I make none.An absolute, all-powerful God does not count as an extraordinary claim?
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:Through belief. Not through impossible evidence.Quote:Your brain.How do you come to the conclusion that a god exists Fr0d0?
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote: I do think beyond what I know but that doesn't mean I should believe in anything I imagine, that's stupid.Same here.
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote: I will stick to known entities.Precisely. That is how you limit yourself. I wonder how you trust enough to step outside your door. Most of what you understand you take on trust from non personally verified information. I'm sure if enough people told you you'd belive in God. Isn't that how you're functioning?
Or do you have the ability to process information and come to conclusionsw not based on hard physical evidence? I know that you do.
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote: An all powerful and all knowing higher power....that is an extraordinary claim. It demands evidence.It provides evidence. Not the evidence it cannot give.
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:And how do you prove it? If you ask yourself that question, then use your brain to work out if the question can be rationally asked or not, you will find that none of your questions are relevant. That's what I mean by using your brain to work this out. It's simple logic. Occams razor.Quote:When did I say that God was a physically provable entity? You keep banging on with that like someone said it. I think you're arguing with yourself.Never said you did. I said I dismiss or rule out the unproven or unprovable. If god is provable, demonstrate it. Otherwise it'll remain ruled out.
(April 24, 2012 at 6:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:Not unknown: unknowable by the scientific method, by the definition the scientific method sets out for itself.Quote:So do I. Please show me how I don't.You're using unknown entities for one.
Please show me how I fail to comply to the scientific method.