RE: JESUS CHRIST: Myth or Historical Person?
April 24, 2012 at 1:45 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 1:45 pm by Minimalist.)
Quote:Why is it you in this thread and DP in the other thread seem to be missing the latter part of that sentence that says (if they are authentic and not Christian interpolations) but fact is they are both much to late to distinguish between Christ and Christianity?
Because it doesn't matter, Phil. Interpolations or not neither mention the word "jesus." Nor, for that matter did Pliny writing somewhat earlier than Suetonius.
Lucian of Samosata (c 160) makes reference to a crucified "founder" but again does not use the word "jesus."
For that, we are stuck waiting until Celsus c 180 AD.
Quote:Origen, Contra Celsum 1.28
Translation, quoted from Mead.
"Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god."
Obviously, xtians are reluctant to rely on this one too much!