RE: Church stance on gay marriage "for good of society", says Bishop Michael Nazi
April 25, 2012 at 5:17 pm
(April 25, 2012 at 5:09 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(April 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, it doesn't. Many jews view it as a sin, many christians view it as a sin. Their god is silent on the matter (as he is in all matters, in any case). Things are rather clear, you are mistaken.
Does it? If it does, what does it say in the verse that I've posted?
Quote:If I remember correctly that might have connection to cultic worship acts in OT days, not just two guy's loving each other in San Fran like us moderns think of homosexuality.Cultic worship?
I wonder how one would interpretate that verse as a "cultic thing", as I don't remember hearing of such a thing in the ancient cults prevailant in the fertile crescent. Sacred prostitution was one thing, bacchanalia another, but I believe that this refers to the act itself. Sodomy.
It says the same in the Turkish and German versions of the Bible that I've read.
Here is the German version:
Quote: Du sollst nicht beim Knaben liegen wie beim Weibe; denn es ist ein Greuel.Thou shalt not lie with the boys as thou would lie with a woman, because it's an abomination.
I think that this translation is rather accurate in how homosexuality was practiced in the ancient days. Not amongst two grown men, but amongst a man and an adolescent boy. For the ancient Israelis, homosexuality did not came in the form between two grown men, probably.
But today, homosexuality has moved from being between adolescents and grownups. It still holds true.
Now to the Turkish translation.
Quote:Kadınla yatar gibi bir erkekle yatma. Bu iğrençtir.Do not lie with a man as thou would lie with women. It is disgusting.
This is similar to the other versions.
I really don't understand what relevance German and Turkish translations pose. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek and parts in I think Aramaic. Anything else is a translation.
And yeah, from what I've read, cultic prostitution was happening back then. It died out by the time you get to NT days though.
And if you're right that it was pedestry (I've heard this from some of the authors I'm trying to get you read in fact) it does not follow that the Bible condemns homosexuality between two adults.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).