RE: Is there any secular reason why being gay is bad?
May 14, 2012 at 7:17 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2012 at 7:32 am by genkaus.)
(May 13, 2012 at 10:09 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Is there and Secular reason why being gay is bad. not religious reasons, any not religious arguments?
I have a few. Well, not bad as in "sinful", but bad as in undesirable.
1. The most obvious one - most of the society is prejudiced against homosexuals. The bigotry and threat to their safety that they face is very much real.
2. Family expectations - It doesn't matter how open-minded or accepting your parents might be, they usually have certain expectation of how you'd live your lives. Realizing that's not going to happen would usually lead to strained relationship. Depending upon your parent's mindset, it can last for years. People often argue that if your parents love you they would understand and accept you for who you are. I think that's bullshit. Parents are always trying to change you - especially mothers. They genuinely do want what's best for you. But that does not mean that they can reconcile their idea of what's best for you with your idea of it. Especially when your idea contains the obvious risk and hardship.
3. Children - Accept it or not, but raising children is a big part of your life and its rare to find someone who doesn't feel like they are missing something if they don't. Whatever other options may be available to them, like surrogacy or adoption, they are automatically more difficult than natural conception. And given the nature vs nurture debate in a child's identity, there is something to be said about knowing that you are biologically connected to your child.
On a side note, I came up with these arguments while discussing the topic with some of my "politically correct" friends. They commented on how being gay is a personal choice for the person and society has no say in it. I pointed out that given all these disadvantages of being gay, its stupid to think that anyone in their right mind would want to be.
(May 14, 2012 at 4:38 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: And for good reason. I rather have the people out there with a reasonably harmonious identity, than with their deviant sexual identities.
Just as I do not go out and introduce myself to people as a "heterosexual", I do not want people to go out and introduce themselves to others as being homosexual. But I know that people who suffer from minority complex are very passionate about whatever that makes them a minority, and want everyone else to know that they are a "minority". The "coming out" process, essentially leaving behind whatever identity you have, to adopt your sexuality as your prime identity.
So the identity of a person should be dictated by whatever the society is comfortable with? While I do think that defining yourself by just one trait of your personality that wasn't your choice to begin with, I do think that that option is up to the person in question. The should neither be censured nor "corrected".
(May 14, 2012 at 4:38 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Just like thieves and murderers, any sexual deviants are directly harmful to society by the way they act. Is a provocator that agitates people to acts of arson and riot not harmful? Yet he only uses words, nothing else.
Any "harm" by the so called sexual deviants, exists only in your mind. Unlike your provocateur, they are not telling others to be gay or forcing their sexual identities on others.
(May 14, 2012 at 6:00 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, maybe you can start by acting normal, if you don't do that already.
But other than that, do not expect me to treat you as a normal person.
Sorry.
Acting normal or acting according to your idea of normal? That is the last argument left for bigots who have realized that they don't have a rational argument to stand on - "We are okay with you being gay, just as long as you don't tell anyone."
