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Best ways to discuss religion: logical arguments?
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RE: Best ways to discuss religion: logical arguments?
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: hello, I'm new here and if you want to know more about me or why I'm here please see: http://atheistforums.org/thread-12839.html

About 3 days ago I had a idea. I wanted to get a better idea of how the Christian mind works, deals with logical problems, views Satan, and other religions. I signed up on a Christian form and asked them a hypothetical question "what would a religion look like if Satan wrote there holy book?" and "can you tell if other religions are satanically influenced?" and lastly "how can you know if your religion isn't inspired by Satan?".

Quite a few people immediately started to tell me how this was a impossible thing to prove because of how I had set it up. That is proving Satan didn't write the bible to someone that doesn't think Satan wrote the bible is impossible. Quite a few also seamed to think I was an arrogant know-it-all jerk and assumed many things about me.

This is a good guy/bad guy religion. Should any good be spoken about the bad guy the boos with contempt will come. Thus the acquisition of being a satanist. - - Name calling.

Since this is good/bad guys in premise. With endings of good to magnificent if you are for the good guy, and torture, pain unending for the bad guy. Fear comes

Religion I'd say mostly the Abrahamic ones are extremely fear based. Feeding into the fear puts them in a comfortable little bubble of bliss. So there goes the delusion.

Logic evades them completely.
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: I refuted that I was a Satanist, that I would not allow any answers possible (twice), that I threw out the bible as evidence (after saying that I didn't care how much it said that it was not written by Satan) and many other hints that things I didn't quite get. They did seam to be quite nice, but it seamed they went crazy assuming things about me to the best of my efforts. After a while I did get a couple of fair answers, assuming God is real, and many many bible quotes that say the bible is right.
Fear based, and logic evades them, now they are looking for their bottle because they can't answer the questions (otherwise they become affiliated with the bad guy) and curl up in a ball, but smile and nod kindly because they are supposed to be the good guys.
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: Someone said that Satan DOES influence religion because all the churches that accept homosexuals. I warned them that I would debate with anger if they continued to call homosexuality a sin around me (keep in mind that I spoke much more carefully then I am now) and I was I.P. banned for a month because they didn't want to see my anger.
There is a little part of the bable that commands Do not forget the OT
Then there is Leviticus all the don't sleep with......slavery keeping.....the law.
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: I'm not telling you about this just to whine about it. I think it's interesting that just about every one of them tensed up the moment I presented something requiring a small amount of logic to solve and said I was an Atheist that wasn't interested in converting them.
Fear based most of us know this. Then some of them don't believe in us?!
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: I hope I'm not re-enforcing any stereotypes of Theists, but I'm compelled to ask. Are Theists allergic to logic?
I would say yes, but there are some intelligent theists. I still say long time fear like when little as in the boogeyman.
(May 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm)JesusShaves Wrote: That is do they see it as something foreign to there own brain that must be expelled? I know that Theists can and do use logic but I worry they fear doing so because of bad experiences they have had with someone else using logic and have reacted by concluding they can't argue that way, it's impossible.

I'd like, if I could to hear your stories and advice for the best experiences you've had introducing yourself as a Atheist and debating religious ideas. Thanks.

It isn't a foreign thing it is a long time of indoctrination. The holy way of brainwashing.
"Religion is comparable to Childhood neurosis" Sigmond Freud

"If one wishes to form a true estimate of the full grandeur of religion, one must keep in mind what it undertakes to do for men. It gives them information about the source and origin of the universe, it assures them of protection and final happiness amid the changing vicissitudes of life, and it guides their thoughts and motions by means of precepts which are backed by the whole force of its authority."

SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires."

SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis

"Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." George Carlin

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation." Elizabeth Cady Stanton - American Suffragist (1815-1902)

"Who loves kitty" Robin Williams live on Broadway DVD

"You cannot petition the lord with prayer" Jim Morrison The Soft Parade.
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RE: Best ways to discuss religion: logical arguments? - by LiberalHearted - May 15, 2012 at 12:06 am

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