RE: Gay Marriage: Why the christians need to STFU about it
May 24, 2012 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2012 at 11:16 am by LarissaAnn.)
(May 23, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Aiza Wrote:(May 23, 2012 at 10:16 am)LarissaAnn Wrote: You can't really compare an Ancient marriage or Ancient society to our times today, it's a weak argument.
Marriage in OUR times and certainly in religious terms, means a sacred bonding of two people as one or in less religious terms, two people sharing their lives together in loving companionship.
I think that marriage in "our times" is currently undergoing a bit of a change itself. For some people, marriage means "sharing your life together" and is essentially just a very expensive romantic gesture with tax benefits. For others, it is about the creation of family and new life. I think saying that those who ascribe to the latter must be "persecuting" those who ascribe to the former is flawed, as flawed as trying to say the ancient Greeks were "persecuting" gays for also having another definition of marriage..
I do understand your point wrt secular vs. religious definitions, though even then this former definition is not limited to the religious. Even nations with hardline state atheism had no gay marriage (or still don't as the case may be). Its a matter of shifting definitions, but I don't think that shift has already occurred.
You know I agree with you, different people view marriage differently and perhaps as a result a persons own marriage is the one and only marriage they should worry about. It's flawed, as you say, to say that two consenting adults of the same gender are wrong or worse immoral for being in love and being united in marriage when their union does not harm or affect anyone outside of it at all.
I'm not saying you don't have the right to think it's wrong as according to your faith; I still don't have a lot of respect for your faith because it holds that belief (and many other messed up ones in my opinion), but you are in the right to feel and follow your own faith. For you if marriage is for the purpose of forming and creating a family, that's fine, you enjoy your marriage, celebrate it in the marriages of your friends and family who believe the same.
Where I find it persecution is when you or your faith force others who DON'T believe as you believe to obey your faith's laws. You reduce their relationship (which to most people, gay or straight, is often the most beautiful thing in their life) to "wrong," not worthy of raising a family, immoral, etc. etc. Like I said before, it's mean and incredibly hurtful and furthermore something that won't affect you WHATSOEVER if it were allowed. It's not the belief that's wrong, but the actions you take toward others because of those beliefs.
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~*~Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones - Marcus Aurelius~*~