(May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am)Aiza Wrote: I don't think they are immoral or wrong for "being in love" but society sets limits on marriage all the time.Society also persecuted people all the time.
(May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am)Aiza Wrote: Certain types of relative cannot get married if they are too closely related, for example.In most of the free world they can. Also, if they get married in TN and travel back to OH, OH has to recognize it by law. This applies to all marriages I am familiar with*.
(May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am)Aiza Wrote: We banned polygamy even though you can easily be in love with multiple people at once.This is also not rationally moral, and largely because polygamy was associated with non-Christian marriages.
(May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am)Aiza Wrote: The ranges for adulthood vary as well--some places a 16 year old can get married with parental consent.Said sixteen year old can also travel to MS, marry, and return to NE where the marriage has to be legally recognized. Again, all legal marriages are recognized in all states*.
(May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am)Aiza Wrote: Do you also see all those limits as "incredibly hurtful" or even persecution? This is an honest question, because it is something I think about myself. I'm not even trying to debate you here, just trying to understand what are the limits of a pluralistic society.The difference is one is trying to legally limit the choices adults can make. Setting an age limit is rational as it applies to everyone and limits who may be granted the right to form an agreement/bond/sex pact (like, may drink at age 21). Setting limits on who someone can marry is a blatant attempt at controlling the choices made (like, only men can drink beer and only women can drink wine). This does not treat people equally.
*except gay marriage. See persecution.
Let's stop trying to pretend, as I've grown sick of having this idiotic conversation the public has been pretending to be tolerant of, myself included. If this offends you, I'm sorry. I know Catholics that think their church is run by bigots. Agreeing with your church doesn't make their opinions right.
We decided inter-racial marriage is OK. It is not anyone else's right to tell me I couldn't marry my wife of another race. These laws are nothing other than base, anti-libertarian BS written because some conservatives are afraid of other people they don't know doing things they are unfamiliar with because their entire self-identity is based on sitting in a small building and socially masturbating their self-esteem over and over.
Other people live differently and by trying to force them not to, you are persecuting them. Deal with it.
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