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1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the Spirit
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RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural
(June 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm)gringoperry Wrote: Okay, so assuming that we do not exist before this life; given that the bible does not discuss it, aren't we being created just to be condemned, all so we can prove our worthiness? A rough analogy would be inventing a product, putting it through all kinds of stress tests, before deciding if it makes the grade. If it does, it goes on the shop shelves. However, if it doesn't, it is simply cast off to the side.

So then, free will is thrust upon us after we have already been condemned for something that we never asked for. Don't you think that's a trifle unfair, considering we had no choice in the matter to begin with? What is the Christian view on this?
The general purpose of life is to love God and love our neighbor. According to the Bible, we are not here to "do" or "prove" anything, but to exist in relationship with God. We also have the free will to reject the relationship (either actively or by saying it doesn't exist). God knew we could never remain sinless, so life is not a test. The only way we are saved is through God's grace (Ephesians 2:8-10). Once our sins are paid for in Jesus' death and resurrection, we might choose to respond with good works (Titus 2:11-12) out of thanks. Ultimately, our goal on earth should continue into heaven. If deeds alone were our goal, the heart would mean nothing and heaven would just be a place. As it is, we seek communion with God, a Divine Romance. A spiritual interaction which words cannot describe.

In answer to free will, read Romans ch.9. It is true we never asked for the ability to sin, but life is full of things we never ask for. Fairness is not checking everyone's wishes, hopes and desires before acting, but rather judging according to the heart. As Romans 9:20 says, "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?" I, for one, am glad for the opportunity God has given me, and it could be that everyone is, subconsciously. If we had no free will we might as well not exist. And it is a heavy claim to wish you never existed. The only case in which you feel free will has been unfairly "thrust" upon you is when you're not sure about your standing with God. If you believe He is there, you like having chose Him. If you do not believe He is there, why do you care about circumstances that do not exist? In other words, Christian believers view free will as fair, and nonbelievers, who don't believe in free will at all, deem it unfair as extra grounds for rejecting the notion of God. God does not condemn us, we condemn ourselves. A sinful heart must be judged (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But the remedy is a phone call to God away. Ask for mercy and ye shall receive it.
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RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Norfolk And Chance - June 17, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Minimalist - June 17, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Darwinian - June 17, 2012 at 8:18 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Tobie - June 17, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 11:01 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, t - by Tobie - June 17, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Darwinian - June 17, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Cyberman - June 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural - by Undeceived - June 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Cyberman - June 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Cyberman - June 17, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Cyberman - June 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: 1 Cor. 15:46-47 - by Drich - June 17, 2012 at 10:08 pm

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