(June 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(June 29, 2012 at 3:36 am)Micah Wrote: The debate is most certainly not over. Google any debates with William Lane Craig or John Lennox. Both are highly intelligent Christians who have held there own against the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens. I may not agree with them, but they make compelling cases.
You really think they make compelling cases?
Sorry, but asserting that their god is eternal is far from compelling.
Every argument I've heard from either of them are nothing more than reworked Kalam Cosmological arguments, argument from design, etc. They are all fallacious.
How is asserting that their god is eternal a problem? Many atheists have no problem asserting that the universe has always existed, or that the universe happened out of nothing. Why could the same not be true for god(s)? Why couldn't a god have always existed or happened out of nothing? If it can be said for the universe, why could it not be said for god(s)? There is no way you can prove that it cannot. You might say something about Occam's Razor, and that the simpler answer is that the universe has always existed/happened out of nothing, but that doesn't really mean anything. Occam's Razor is just an idea and is not something that proves truth. Therefore, it is entirely possible, though, in my opinion, not likely, that god(s) exist, and there is nothing that can be said to prove that god(s) do not.
"God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8).
"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you" (1 Peter 3:15).
"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you" (1 Peter 3:15).
