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The debate is over
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RE: The debate is over
(June 30, 2012 at 2:52 am)Micah Wrote: How is asserting that their god is eternal a problem? Many atheists have no problem asserting that the universe has always existed, or that the universe happened out of nothing. Why could the same not be true for god(s)? Why couldn't a god have always existed or happened out of nothing? If it can be said for the universe, why could it not be said for god(s)? There is no way you can prove that it cannot. You might say something about Occam's Razor, and that the simpler answer is that the universe has always existed/happened out of nothing, but that doesn't really mean anything. Occam's Razor is just an idea and is not something that proves truth. Therefore, it is entirely possible, though, in my opinion, not likely, that god(s) exist, and there is nothing that can be said to prove that god(s) do not.

Pointing out that something is unable to be disproven is not the same as making a compelling case for it. You can't disprove I'm an alien, for example. The fact that you can't disprove it isn't a compelling reason to believe it. The reason all their assertions are problematic is because they haven't proven any of them. While I do think a negative can be reasonably proven, it's usually more difficult and most god concepts are formulated in such a way as to be practically unfalsifiable. That being said, I think there's certain gods which can be reasonably said to not exist, including, but not limited to, specific formulations of the Christian god.
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The debate is over - by Opsnyder - June 28, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2012 at 9:11 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 29, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - June 30, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Anomalocaris - July 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Welsh cake - June 28, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 29, 2012 at 3:36 am
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by WeAreTheGods - July 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tiberius - June 29, 2012 at 4:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by 5thHorseman - June 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - June 29, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 4:18 am
RE: The debate is over - by Angrboda - June 29, 2012 at 5:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by KichigaiNeko - June 29, 2012 at 8:34 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 9:23 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 29, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Minimalist - June 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 2:52 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:02 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 4:49 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:11 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:52 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 5:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 5:59 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 6:30 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 6:50 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:49 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 6:57 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 7:19 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:29 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 7:43 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:24 am
RE: The debate is over - by Tempus - June 30, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 7:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The debate is over - by Xyster - June 30, 2012 at 7:58 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:05 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 8:32 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:27 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: The debate is over - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:18 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:49 am
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RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 9:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 10:00 am
RE: The debate is over - by Simon Moon - June 30, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - June 30, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RE: The debate is over - by LastPoet - June 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 1, 2012 at 2:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - June 30, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Ace Otana - June 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - June 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - June 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - June 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Light of Truth - July 1, 2012 at 2:40 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 1, 2012 at 8:38 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 1, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 1, 2012 at 6:30 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 1, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - July 2, 2012 at 12:49 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2012 at 5:25 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 3, 2012 at 9:19 am
RE: The debate is over - by KichigaiNeko - July 2, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 2, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 2, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: The debate is over - by KichigaiNeko - July 2, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 2, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 3, 2012 at 7:04 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 2, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 2, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Minimalist - July 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 2, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 3, 2012 at 4:45 am
RE: The debate is over - by Creed of Heresy - July 3, 2012 at 6:42 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 3, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Anomalocaris - July 3, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Minimalist - July 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - July 3, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: The debate is over - by dean211284 - July 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2012 at 3:17 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 4, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 4, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - July 4, 2012 at 7:57 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 4, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 4, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 4, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 4, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 4, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 4, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 5, 2012 at 6:38 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 5, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 6, 2012 at 5:29 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2012 at 7:16 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 6, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: The debate is over - by Ace Otana - July 6, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 5, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by Norfolk And Chance - July 4, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 4, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 4, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Voltair - July 6, 2012 at 1:25 am
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 6, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 6, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 6, 2012 at 9:27 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 6, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 6, 2012 at 10:16 am
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 6, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: The debate is over - by Epimethean - July 6, 2012 at 10:38 am
Re: RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 7, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 7, 2012 at 4:12 am
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Skepsis - July 8, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 9, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: The debate is over - by Jackalope - July 6, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RE: The debate is over - by CliveStaples - July 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 6, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Jackalope - July 6, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 6, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 6, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The debate is over - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Autumnlicious - July 6, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 8, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Reforged - July 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: The debate is over - by fr0d0 - July 9, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: The debate is over - by Zen Badger - July 9, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: The debate is over - by Taqiyya Mockingbird - July 9, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RE: The debate is over - by Faith No More - July 9, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: The debate is over - by Mister Agenda - July 9, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: The debate is over - by WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth - July 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: The debate is over - by padraic - July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm

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