(June 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You've posted some really good stuff on the subject FNM. I wasn't sure regarding the apparent insensitivity of what i put but i thought I put it out there anyway. I'm posting from my phone which is kinda limiting. I have been in that place myself, and councelled people in this position, and in my experience i would say that it is almost always selfishness at work. Why broadcast it? Why not minimise the hurt to others if it's only you and no one can help you?
Eventually, the pain blinds you to the consequences of your death. Sometimes people convince themselves that no one will care, that everyone will be better off, or even that people will get over your death quite easily. Of course these things are far from the truth, but you become unable to see the actual value in your own life.
fr0d0 Wrote:When I was there, home truths were what I needed and I appreciated the one person who told me straight rather than the many who placated me with sympathy which was of no help.
Your elaboration is great FNM. I just don't feel my input is irrelevant. We already have too much soft & useless advice. My intention is far from derision.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that your input is irrelevant. Suicide is one of those things that I see a lot of misconceived stigma being attributed to it, and the idea that it is inherently selfish is one of them.
I agree that there is a lot of soft and useless advice, and that if we were more realistic with people about the effects of suicide, people wouldn't be so quick to consider it as a viable option. One thing to remember, however, is that breaking free from the pain can become as necessary to some people as it is to eat and breath for everyone. It consumes you to the point that all you can think about is being pain free no matter you get there. It's not that you become so selfish that you don't care about the pain to others, it's that your need for the suffering to end becomes so overwhelming that you become blind to the consequences.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
