Faith Through Fear

[Brian37]

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Good to have you here, now do you think you've brought anything new to the table, nope, we've heard this stuff many times and it does not fly. Just who does Christianity control and for what purpose would Christianity need to control and who would it benefit, can you answer these questions.

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"Just who does Christianity control and for what purpose would Christianity need to control and who would it benefit, can you answer these questions."
What, you want names?
Example; If the pope holds a mass he has his flocks undivided attention and obediance. This is beneficial for him and his religion because he can gain influence, money and power through this.
Fairly simple concept, rather stupid question.

Most of them are committing idolatry, this is a forbidden practice for Christians, no man is to place himself between the people and Christ, seems we have two violations of scriptural teachings. A case for doubting their authenticity. Now let's here about the Protestant denominations, you all are hung up on Catholics, why? Deal with the rest of use. The question was intelligent, it was the answer that came off stupid.

Also, "whos looking to extend their life" is an equally stupid question. Everyone is, including yourself.
If you don't think so let me ask you a question:
You believe you'll go to heaven if you die as long as you don't commit suicide, yes? Why don't you roam the streets of a particularly dangerous city at night to increase the likelyhood you'll get murdered and go to heaven?
Please think before you type in future to avoid boring the shit out of the rest of us.

It would not matter what I said, your attention span is so short you would get bored.
I do not look to extend my life, my date of death is already known and I can not change it. I'm going to heaven period, get off the Catholic kick and learn something please. One can prematurely die by doing something like you have mentioned, seems stupidity resides with you.

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You falsely think you chose to believe. If no one had introduced you to Christianity there would be any bribe or threat to keep you in it. We are not talking about human politics here. We are talking about the emotional blackmail religion is, which gets projected on politics.

But as a mere concept, it forgoes questioning and relies on the bribe of heaven and the threat of hell. Like an abusive spouse who promises the wife a ring if she stays but threatens her with a beating if she tries to leave.

Emotional blackmail in the form of bribes or threats is hardly moral and hardly a choice.

Robber, "I'll give you two choices. Give me your wallet and I'll let you live. Keep your wallet and I'll shoot you dead". Please explain to me how that can be a choice?

You have no choice, you have fallen for the utopia bribe of a fictional heaven under threats of hell. You'll give up reason first before you question this blackmail.

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I'm not blackmailed, pushed or threatened, I make my own decisions based on what I see as the truth, no matter what you say will change this, you should stop wasting your time telling people what you want them to be, arrogant you are.
As far as the wallet deal that's old hat get something new, I'm tired of such foolishness.

If it is a choice then why the concept of hell? You didn't set up hell, and you were not asked before you were born if you wanted to take the risk of life or even maturing to the age of making the"choice". What knowledge of choice when your parents had sex did you have AT THAT MOMENT" What consent did you have, what knowledge did you have?

The truth is you fell for your superstition, not because heaven or hell are real, but because you needed an emotional crutch. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia you'd be raised a Muslim and swallow their superstitions, and pontificate about their promises of their version of heaven and fear their threats of hell.

Heaven and hell are broken concepts as claims. BUT if believers want to claim them, STRICTLY AS CLAIMS, the claim NO MATTER THE RELIGION, can only be seen rightfully as the blackmail it is.

You falsely see yourself as having a choice, because your abuser has already emotionally convinced you you have a choice.

I do not see any motif AS A CLAIM, when it gives you two choices

1. Be good and I'll give you a cookie
2. Defy me and I'll beat the shit out of you.

How is that moral? You use "choice" as a cop out. The problem is you value emotions over your rightful human right of your OWN CONSENT, which you have willfully forgone for a utopia you cannot prove exists.

The god/s of Abraham AS CHARACTERS, not real gods, value you as pawns, toys, minions, not to help you out, but to gain club members as per the writings of the respective books.

A choice, if you value yourself would be, you could not believe, and not want to hang out with anyone you don't chose, and if that person values human dignity, they wont try to bribe you, or threaten you, they will simply let you go your separate ways, WITHOUT PUNISHMENT.

Always keep in mind when I argue against your claim, I am not arguing against any real god. I am arguing against the claim you make.

Please if I have a choice, and you claim I have a choice, and I say I don't believe, where do I end up after I die?

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I'm going to heaven period...

Your level of humility never ceases to astound me.

I am sure the 9/11 Hijackers thought the same thing. But even they were "humble" enough to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of their god.

Here is what believers of all stripes don't want to face. Chasing utopias for the tribe, depending on money and politics and numbers, short term, may do that religion or sect good, but humans throughout history often miss that death is not an unavoidable thing and maybe we should see ourselves, not as pawns for comic book super heros OF ANY LABEL, but as humans.

Martyrs who claim "I am going to heaven" are as mundane as making a baby or taking a dump.