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Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm
So, one of the only reasons why I'm not anti-theist is that I see a good reason why people are religious-comfort. I know that death is frightening, but my mother has been dying for six months and hasn't shed a tear. She knows she'll be with her dead family and god, the god she believes in, who is loving and kind. She is starting to see her aunt, who passed away a long time ago. That comforts her. I'll tell you what, I'm quite happy for her faith now that she's at the point of death. It has given her a coping mechanism that is deeply ingrained in her psyche. For her, Heaven awaits her. It's a beautiful thing. There isn't a single ounce of harm in it.
How do you feel about finding comfort in faith while dying? Please don't use my mother's situation as an example. I'm bound to take debate about it personally.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:05 pm
I think you'll find most atheists don't bash theists for finding comfort in religion during times of stress. Whatever helps get you through the day. It's the more harmful actions that cause friction. The people that want to run "make America straight again" during LGBTQ pride month have more focus.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:10 pm
I share your feelings about anti-theism.
Two things I've always missed/been jealous of about religious faith, particularly the Judeo-Christian ones I'm most familiar with, are comfort at the end and community. I'll never begrudge anyone for minding their own business and taking comfort in what--on the face of it, is a nice thing.
I'm really glad your mom has that comfort.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:14 pm
Death in my opinion is not frightening. It is inevitable. I am not afraid of dying.
Now the way that I will die, that is what what concerns me.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:26 pm
Especially for those who know their death is coming because there is no cure or the 'cure' will kill them, I think that whatever comfort they can find to get through that time is just fine with me. I certainly am not going to be the one to take away whatever it is that helps them to leave this life with less stress.
Who is it hurting? End of life or at the time of grieving isn't the time to take the belief is a hereafter away from people. They are already dealing with enough physically, mentally, and emotionally.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:28 pm
If I have to watch someone die, I would choose calm and happy over crying and scared every single time.
Also, if I have to see someone struggle in life, I would much rather see them struggle with hope and confidence surrounded by a community that loves them than to see them struggle alone completely hopeless. That’s not to say that atheists are incapable of feeling peace in hard times or death. I just think it’s especially easier for theists to pass in peace. And I think it’s a good thing. If I could, when it came time for me, I would program my brain to suddenly believe something much happier and better was awaiting me.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:53 pm
(June 23, 2019 at 9:05 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I think you'll find most atheists don't bash theists for finding comfort in religion during times of stress. Whatever helps get you through the day. It's the more harmful actions that cause friction. The people that want to run "make America straight again" during LGBTQ pride month have more focus.
No, no. I don't think atheists bash theists for finding comfort in faith at their times of death. I'm just wondering how people feel about that comfort, whether it's helpful, harmful, they wish they could have that comfort, etc. I just mentioned not using my mom as an example because I'm not really looking to analyze her death, so much as see how other people react to a situation I'm watching right now.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 9:54 pm
(June 23, 2019 at 9:10 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I share your feelings about anti-theism.
Two things I've always missed/been jealous of about religious faith, particularly the Judeo-Christian ones I'm most familiar with, are comfort at the end and community. I'll never begrudge anyone for minding their own business and taking comfort in what--on the face of it, is a nice thing.
I'm really glad your mom has that comfort.
Thank you. I am too. I wish I could share it with her.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 10:05 pm
I'd say it doesn't hurt. Whatever you want to think about, or do, to keep calm when dying, is all fine. whether it's true or not is another topic.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
June 23, 2019 at 10:05 pm
(June 23, 2019 at 9:28 pm)Losty Wrote: If I have to watch someone die, I would choose calm and happy over crying and scared every single time.
Also, if I have to see someone struggle in life, I would much rather see them struggle with hope and confidence surrounded by a community that loves them than to see them struggle alone completely hopeless. That’s not to say that atheists are incapable of feeling peace in hard times or death. I just think it’s especially easier for theists to pass in peace. And I think it’s a good thing. If I could, when it came time for me, I would program my brain to suddenly believe something much happier and better was awaiting me. Beautiful words! I struggled much of my life with hope and confidence as my only friends only to be rejected by the community that loves me. Yes they love me but, damned if they don't get it! Life ain't easy but it is mandatory! To rise above it all is sweet, sweet vindication of my faith and hope! Yet, does anyone realize that I walked off a cliff onto an invisible bridge learning that God's Word is a light to my path and a guide to my feet? Shit Dude, I have been to hell and back on that bridge! Yet, when I look back, it's always solid ground! "To boldly go where no one has gone before" is my life story. That was not a bragamony. I've had up to here! Yet, it never ends! People keep telling me I'm smart because I'm rich when in reality I'm a freaked-out dumbass!
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