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Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
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Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
I need some good logic to convince me to stay an atheist or at least an agnostic. I have been researching the bible and found out that throughout the old testament, well shit, it says that Jesus during his crucifixtion will experience darkness on the earth. And according to historian Josephus and Thailiius there was a weird omen that day. Now NASA just announced that there was a lunar eclipse during his crucifixtion time in a.d. 30, so now NASA is backing it up, not only that they say there was a lunar eclipse when Christ was born, they have been able to narrow it down. So knowing this could be a possibility and there was darkness during it, how do you explain it? How in the old testament, sprinkled throughout the damn thing they make literal prophecy about the earth being dark for hours, then it happened according to NASA. I am starting to wonder if this Christ fella might be real, but I need some logic, I am a schizoaffective type and have bad ocd so I'm writing this and reaching out to the atheist communityj. I don't belive much of the bible myself, I Do believe that he was crucified though and why would josephus  and thalius lie about the darkness? I get the Christians lying but not the others, Does this seem like it might make you believe? How do you explain the old testament knew about the darkness?
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
I'm going to start with your title.

An atheist cannot have a crisis of faith because atheism is not faith-based.

To move on to the contents of your post: if I say, At some point in the future, it is going to rain that does not mean I have a gift of prophecy. It merely means that I have experienced and observed the phenomenon and I have logically predicted that it will rain again in the future.

Anyone with dark days experience in the past could have easily attributed lunar eclipses to magic when they clearly did not fully comprehend the science behind it. In fact, prophecy tends to be so common and vague that of course they appear to be prophets when they are not.

On another note, as far as I understand, an individual named Jesus never existed.
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: I need some good logic to convince me to stay an atheist or at least an agnostic. I have been researching the bible and found out that throughout the old testament, well shit, it says that Jesus during his crucifixtion will experience darkness on the earth. And according to historian Josephus and Thailiius there was a weird omen that day. Now NASA just announced that there was a lunar eclipse during his crucifixtion time in a.d. 30, so now NASA is backing it up, not only that they say there was a lunar eclipse when Christ was born, they have been able to narrow it down. So knowing this could be a possibility and there was darkness during it, how do you explain it? How in the old testament, sprinkled throughout the damn thing they make literal prophecy about the earth being dark for hours, then it happened according to NASA. I am starting to wonder if this Christ fella might be real, but I need some logic, I am a schizoaffective type and have bad ocd so I'm writing this and reaching out to the atheist communityj. I don't belive much of the bible myself, I Do believe that he was crucified though and why would josephus  and thalius lie about the darkness? I get the Christians lying but not the others, Does this seem like it might make you believe? How do you explain the old testament knew about the darkness?

I'm thinking evangelical Christian pretending, for some reason, to be an atheist judging by this post.



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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
How does an atheist have a crisis of faith?
If you’ve found irrefutable evidence to believe in a god, then by all means go for it. If you’ve decided you want to believe even if the evidence is shaky, go for that.
You don’t choose to be an atheist, so you don’t need any faith at all. People are atheists by default if they don’t believe in any gods.

As for the Jesus thing...even if Jesus existed, and a lot of people believe he did, that doesn’t make him a Christ and it doesn’t mean there’s a god. It simply means some dude was probably crucified and maybe there was an eclipse when it happened. That really means nothing.
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
Mmmmm, maybe the sun is the eyes of God? ... you think he covered his eyes in shame as he crucified his son to cover up his previous fuck ups?
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: I need some good logic to convince me to stay an atheist or at least an agnostic.

I think that you are a troll.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith

I know how you feel. I myself am loosing my faith in my lack of faith in horoscopes.

(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: Now NASA just announced that there was a lunar eclipse during his crucifixtion time in a.d. 30, so now NASA is backing it up, not only that they say there was a lunar eclipse when Christ was born, they have been able to narrow it down. So knowing this could be a possibility and there was darkness during it, how do you explain it?

What does lunar eclipse have to do with Jesus? You do realize that lunar eclipses happen during night?

(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: I am a schizoaffective type and have bad ocd

Then there's no hope for you because this is a diagnosis for a real Christian.
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
But it was overcast that day so it didn't matter. ........ Al Roker.
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 6:41 am)emilsein Wrote: Now NASA just announced that there was a lunar eclipse during his crucifixtion time in a.d. 30, so now NASA is backing it up, not only that they say there was a lunar eclipse when Christ was born, they have been able to narrow it down. So knowing this could be a possibility and there was darkness during it, how do you explain it?

What does lunar eclipse have to do with Jesus? You do realize that lunar eclipses happen during night?

And, only when the Moon is full, which means that it rises exactly when the Sun sets and sets when the Sun rises.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
I guess I just don't understand why the Jews made up all that shit in the old testament to begin with. Maybe it was a solar eclipse, I don't know the info was kinda shaky and from very off websites that I don't really trust but, the fact that they think he was born during a solar eclipse b/c of facts or perceived info in the bible and josephus was talking about a son who was born at a simliar time and there was a solar eclipse. The old testament says that the days will be dark during while he's up there on that fucking cross, that's not just some vague prophecy, that's like saying I'm going to get some tabasco from Rita tomorrow, now that's exact, and eclipses don't have happen everyday like rain. Why diid the OT make up the messiah and then not believe in him when he came? Also have you studied the martydorm of the apostles, now we only have a few nonbiblical sources and yes that fuck Josephus is one of them. He says that Jesus' brother was martyred, why would he lie? B/c martydorm is kinda strange, to say you saw him rise from the dead, not just dying for an idea but a lie, ppl don't lie, they do die for religion, but lies, just curious if this is making you question your faith , the fact that the eclipse literally happened when he was on that cross and that two secular historians say it happened, are we now going down the road that their lying, and even NASA? does it bother you he had an eclipse at birth supposedly and at death, or you gonna chalk that up to chance to?
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