(July 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You are looking for a point in time when someone sat down and concocted the jesus myth. You aren't going to find it.
It was a process that took a long time and was edited to suit the needs of a growing power structure based in Rome.
I would add, forgive me if I've already posted this, you can see the development over time if you read the Gospels in order, Mark, Matt, Luke and John.
- John the Baptist get lower and lower on his knees with each telling of the baptism, until John's Jesus doesn't need a baptism at all.
- Jesus goes from being a modest holy man in Mark who even rebukes a rich admirer for calling him "good" to John's Jesus who has no problem claiming to be one with his father Yahweh.
- The Synoptic Gospels have Jesus being clearly a separate being from God, completely subordinate, to John's Trinitarian Jesus
- Matthew reads like an elaboration of Mark, with faulty points of Hebrew theology corrected, and plenty of bogus claims to fulfillment of prophecy.
- By the time John was written, "the Jews" become a separate and hostile religious group
- The last words of Jesus go from Jesus being a holy man ("my god, my god, why have you forsaken me") to being one who is God fulfilling a mission ("it is finished")
- The resurrection account got better with the telling. The original ended at Mark 16:8. A later version of Mark extended this story. Future versions got more elaborate with sightings of the resurrected Jesus until the one in Acts of the Apostles has the risen Jesus milling about for 40 freaking days preaching his word to the masses!
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist