(July 6, 2012 at 5:35 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I find it interesting that you think i thought all atheists believe what I wrote in my first post. I didn't and still don't, I was looking to bring out those that did. Only one has admitted it, which is unsurprising. Like I've said before, I've had these discussions before and most end at the pointds made in my first post. I'm still waiting to find an explanation of why so many atheists accept Hawking's perspective when is conjecture, it seems logic falls out the window when it suits their purposes. So similar to religion, all that happens is that scientists become a replacement for ministers.
I've tried to lighten the tone as I find it very boring to be hostile the whole time, and all that happens is it becomes a diversion from the point I'm making. To me the constant hostility just shows the emotion people have towards the subject, odd given it's meant to be a logically formed view.
As a rule, I don't like what atheists stand for, I can see no point in it. When I was an atheist, I was not actively one. If someone asked me, I just didn't believe. Now I've thought about it, I'm devoutly agnostic. I accept that everyone is different and believe different things, I just intensely dislike the supposed intellectual high-ground many atheists attempt to give themselves. It just reeks of self-righteousness, again like some religious groups.
Some people believe, I don't care, they're welcome to as long as they don't impinge on me. But why form a group to disbelieve in something, it makes no sense to me at all. For any one reading this and about to cite 9/11, paedophilia, religious corruption please don't bother, it doesn't convince me of anything. Of course, if you feel the need to cathartically purge why you hate religion so much, go ahead.
(July 6, 2012 at 5:28 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Allow me to sum up the reason for Sellied's continued posts with a single emoticon.
Gringo - case and point. I don't know why they do it for acceptance amongst their peers, or are trying to annoy me.
OK, then why not call it what it is? Some people are arrogant; whether they are atheist, theist, agnostic or otherwise. I've already stated that I don't like how some of Hawking's theories are so readily accepted, just because of who he is. I don't wish to labor the point, but he does have a lot more credibility than some evangelist preacher who claims to have God's power to heal.
I'll give you an example that is perhaps better suited to illustrate your point: Atheists who accept tenuous links that seemingly paint one religious or another in a bad (Worse) light, without doing the research for themselves. They don't bother to check the chapter/verse/quote given, because it comes from what they believe to be a trusted source - other atheists.
Also, while I agree with a lot of what militant atheists do; at least in their doggedness at stopping religion from encroaching on government and law, sometimes it goes a little too extremist. By which I mean, when outright propaganda and lies are used, it takes away from what the movement should be about. Plus you have the victims who go into a religious debate armed with this piece of info, which turns out to be completely untrue.
I don't like self-righteous people in general, however, it is pretty difficult to assign that label to any one group of people, when you think about it. The majority of us are self-righteous to some degree. It's a very dominant human trait, which has its uses. It is also a trait that I think will die out in time, as we evolve socially and create more advanced supporting technologies. As for now, don't let it frustrate you too much, there are more productive things you could ponder on.