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Atheists disbelieve in a god, and then assert it's rational to due so, but lack any validated means to disbelieve. It's as rational as saying a god does exist.

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What 'validated means' do I need when I respond, " I don't believe your claim. Please provide me with demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid logic to support it", when a theists claims a god exists?

Belief is a binary mental state. Either one has the active belief that a god exists, or they do not have that belief.

Atheism is simply not having the belief that a god exists. It is not necessarily the belief that a god does not exist.

You don't require any validated means to state you don't believe in something, something can be true and you can still disbelieve it.

It's when atheists that claim to possess some form of truth by disbelieving when it's simply a disbelief. Many seem to have constructed a worldview/set of beliefs, that rationalises disbelief, but it holds no more value than those who do believe.

I don't agree at all that belief is binary, some days I may have a 1 others a 0. Conversely, my disbelief is sometimes on 1 or 0. Most times my belief is 0 and my disbelief is also on 0.

This argument seems to be solely focused from a religious person's perspective, so it's did that many atheists present it.

"It is not necessarily the belief that a god does not exist" concept seems to be a common view amongst atheists. E.g Dawkins claims this, however I don't consider that he actually believe this to be true, or is is a truly disingenuous person.

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Why is it ironic? The only high ground I take is admitting I don't know.

Atheists disbelieve in a god, and then assert it's rational to due so, but lack any validated means to disbelieve. It's as rational as saying a god does exist.

Claiming the other side is irrational is trying to take the intellectual high ground, however, most of the irony lies in your condemnation of others for their self-righteous attitude while simultatneously prattling on with an air of self-righteousness.

Yes but I'm only self-righteous in claiming I don't know and neither do you. If you can prove that you know, I will be quit my self-righteous tone.

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Atheists disbelieve in a god, and then assert it's rational to due so, but lack any validated means to disbelieve. It's as rational as saying a god does exist.

A validated reason to disbelieve is the complete lack of evidence to show that god is real.

Jog on, for fucks sake.

Why do you think that it must be knowable? Did science tell you anything that does not exist is unknowable? or that as it's unknowable it does not exsit?

I hate jogging, prefer mountain biking. So mountain bike on would have been more appropriate.

I'm just interested to see if any atheist can remove them self far enough from their worldview to rationalise it for a non-atheist.

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Like most other atheists I deny the existence of any god due the dearth of evidence.

Sorry, that is an incorrect characterisation of my position and that of most atheists I know. I do NOT reject the existence of God(s). I am unable to believe due to a lack of credible evidence. I concede the possibility of error,no matter how unlikely I think that might be. The difference may seem a subtle one,but it is important to me. In asserting only "I disbelieve' I make no claims ,and attract no burden of proof.

How are you able to determine the probability of a god? How many known knowns, unknown uknowns etc are there?

What would the evidence be (or should it be), if a god existed?

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Indeed. I have never borne a child nor given birth. Not out of some active attempts to prevent carrying a child, but simply because, as a male, I lack the necessary equipment to gestate. By the same token, I have never believed in gods nor worshipped same. Not out of some active attempts to deny their existence, but simply because, as an atheist, I lack the necessary belief to engender such faith.

I honestly don't know how much more simple we can make this and still be able to communicate.

Doesn't matter how simple you make it, either they refuse to accept it or they're really fucking stupid.

Ha my favourite the Richard Dawkins school of logic.