Drich Wrote:Exactly! Who ever believes, which means the Agape offered, is by defination conditional. The love expressed in this passage placed Christ on the cross, and it ends there. That is Unless you believe. Which makes God's love conditional and not a limitless boundless love you are trying to sell. By defination a condition is a boundry. One can not offer a boundless love with conditions and boundries.
Oh I see what you're saying. I agree in that case on a theological level.
Quote: Nothing this life offers can be considered 'punishment.' Rather what the bible says is the punishment for not accepting Christ is eternal seperation. Not a hard life. Matter of fact Hunger, persecution, death, were all promised to those who believe! It is not a punishment, but an oppertunity to serve and to be served.
If you believe hardship in this life to be a result of some sort of punishment the please show me the book chapter and verse that teaches this.
What I meant in the OP is that it's unjust that some people never had the opportunity to give their lives to Christ yet they have to suffer eternally for something that was out of their control. The punishment is unjust because there was creation but no provision to ensure eternal life. I take it that with an understanding of agapeo this act of evil is justified, yes?
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
