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Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
Democracy, Religion and Secularism all talks a great line of freedom and equality for all. Our Western democracies and Religions preach this wonderful line; while at the same time forcing our women to walk behind our men and denying women true equality. True democracy and religions are then a sham. We have no working model, political or religious with true equality. We all contribute to this hypocrisy.
We point the finger at the East and their lack of equality with scorn, as we should; while ignoring the fact that we in the West are not doing as we preach or walking our talk. We men have yet to give our women the justice and equality they deserve. Our women have also been delinquent in their social duty by not being more forceful in their demands for equality and justice. Women lead the list of those that have historically been oppressed, thanks mainly to religions, and democracies and religions needs to acknowledge this real fact. They must enact affirmative action to be seen as working toward a truly just society.
It is time for men and women to recognize that what women have suffered enough discrimination and denigration without just cause long enough. We as societies have enacted affirmative action laws for the oppressed before. I think we should admit to the fact we have truly oppressed women and initiate new laws to move equality for women at a faster pace.
Both men and women have ignored basic social justice and we should all be ashamed of ourselves. You will feel this shame if you, male or female, have an ounce of social responsibility. We have a duty not only to ourselves but also to the coming generations.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Justice demands that we act and our women and female children are crying out for equality.
Affirmative action for women should be placed higher our social justice agendas. Both at the political level and religious level.
Do you agree?
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 27, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Quote:Affirmative action for women should be placed higher our social justice agendas. Both at the political level and religious level.
Do you agree?
Is this what you mean?
Quote:Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin"[1] into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination.
If so,no I do not agree. I have never supported positive discrimination. I fail to see how one injustice can be addressed by imposing another.
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 27, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I have not, and will not support affirmative action. (If we're using the same definition.) Giving one group an advantage to succeed, even if it is needed in the short term, will simply cause long term issues.
It may be hard for them for now, but eventually, there will be equal saturation of minority groups and women in power as long as we keep enforcing equality.
What falls away is always, and is near.
Also, I am not pretending to be female, this profile picture is my wonderful girlfriend. XD
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2012 at 10:49 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
If we MUST have a government, then I support affirmative action.
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 1:19 am
(January 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
Democracy, Religion and Secularism all talks a great line of freedom and equality for all. Our Western democracies and Religions preach this wonderful line; while at the same time forcing our women to walk behind our men and denying women true equality. True democracy and religions are then a sham. We have no working model, political or religious with true equality. We all contribute to this hypocrisy.
We point the finger at the East and their lack of equality with scorn, as we should; while ignoring the fact that we in the West are not doing as we preach or walking our talk. We men have yet to give our women the justice and equality they deserve. Our women have also been delinquent in their social duty by not being more forceful in their demands for equality and justice. Women lead the list of those that have historically been oppressed, thanks mainly to religions, and democracies and religions needs to acknowledge this real fact. They must enact affirmative action to be seen as working toward a truly just society.
It is time for men and women to recognize that what women have suffered enough discrimination and denigration without just cause long enough. We as societies have enacted affirmative action laws for the oppressed before. I think we should admit to the fact we have truly oppressed women and initiate new laws to move equality for women at a faster pace.
Both men and women have ignored basic social justice and we should all be ashamed of ourselves. You will feel this shame if you, male or female, have an ounce of social responsibility. We have a duty not only to ourselves but also to the coming generations.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Justice demands that we act and our women and female children are crying out for equality.
Affirmative action for women should be placed higher our social justice agendas. Both at the political level and religious level.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
See the above bold, isn't this where it started, kind of an ownership, not saying that is what you meant, it's part of what has been instilled into us.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 2:40 am
And you cling to this pathetic excuse?
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 2:51 am
Quote:Justice delayed is justice denied. Justice demands that we act and our women and female children are crying out for equality.
Quote:See the above bold, isn't this where it started, kind of an ownership, not saying that is what you meant, it's part of what has been instilled into us.
Yes, it WAS instilled in me as a child,but when I became a man I put aside childish things..
The words 'Mine' 'Yours' and 'Ours' can refer equally to a possession or a relationship. I can understand your confusion.The Abrahamic faiths have all traditionally considered women as chattel
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 3:14 am
Positive discrimination is not equality.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 11:18 am
(January 28, 2012 at 3:14 am)Perhaps Wrote: Positive discrimination is not equality.
Support of capitalism is not equality either.
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RE: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
January 28, 2012 at 4:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 28, 2012 at 4:53 pm by Greatest I am.)
Quote: (January 27, 2012 at 8:06 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:Affirmative action for women should be placed higher our social justice agendas. Both at the political level and religious level.
Do you agree?
Is this what you mean?
Quote:Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin"[1] into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination.
That is what I meant. Yes.
Quote: If so,no I do not agree. I have never supported positive discrimination. I fail to see how one injustice can be addressed by imposing another.
Does that mean that if you would have had a chance to vote down the affirmative action that ended segregation in the U S, you would have, and kept segregation in place?
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(January 27, 2012 at 10:15 pm)Aegrus Wrote: I have not, and will not support affirmative action. (If we're using the same definition.) Giving one group an advantage to succeed, even if it is needed in the short term, will simply cause long term issues.
It may be hard for them for now, but eventually, there will be equal saturation of minority groups and women in power as long as we keep enforcing equality.
Eventually Eh?
Leave it to the other guy. Eh?
Tell that to your daughter or granddaughter, who, if you live in a small town, will have to raise her skirt to get a job.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Change the labels in this quote to women, Gays your own daughter or children being brainwashed by religions and it show what we should be thinking and doing for each other.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”
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DL
(January 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: If we MUST have a government, then I support affirmative action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiU3maL6r...r_embedded
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(January 28, 2012 at 1:19 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Democracy, religion, women and equality. Justice demands affirmative action.
Democracy, Religion and Secularism all talks a great line of freedom and equality for all. Our Western democracies and Religions preach this wonderful line; while at the same time forcing our women to walk behind our men and denying women true equality. True democracy and religions are then a sham. We have no working model, political or religious with true equality. We all contribute to this hypocrisy.
We point the finger at the East and their lack of equality with scorn, as we should; while ignoring the fact that we in the West are not doing as we preach or walking our talk. We men have yet to give our women the justice and equality they deserve. Our women have also been delinquent in their social duty by not being more forceful in their demands for equality and justice. Women lead the list of those that have historically been oppressed, thanks mainly to religions, and democracies and religions needs to acknowledge this real fact. They must enact affirmative action to be seen as working toward a truly just society.
It is time for men and women to recognize that what women have suffered enough discrimination and denigration without just cause long enough. We as societies have enacted affirmative action laws for the oppressed before. I think we should admit to the fact we have truly oppressed women and initiate new laws to move equality for women at a faster pace.
Both men and women have ignored basic social justice and we should all be ashamed of ourselves. You will feel this shame if you, male or female, have an ounce of social responsibility. We have a duty not only to ourselves but also to the coming generations.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Justice demands that we act and our women and female children are crying out for equality.
Affirmative action for women should be placed higher our social justice agendas. Both at the political level and religious level.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
See the above bold, isn't this where it started, kind of an ownership, not saying that is what you meant, it's part of what has been instilled into us.
You speak of ownership when you bible says that you are the head of your wife. WTH.
All the women and female children are OUR women and children just like we are their men and their men, the ones that are true moral men, will try to free them from the oppression of your religion.
Come back as a true man and chat or get your head back up your chauvinistic God's ass.
Regards
DL
(January 28, 2012 at 3:14 am)Perhaps Wrote: Positive discrimination is not equality.
True. It is an insult to any nation that must implement it.
It shows a lack of character in the population.
It is unfortunate that our character has not progressed to the point where we do not have a need for it.
Unfortunately, we do. Shame on us all.
Regards
DL
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