(July 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm)Drich Wrote:Ok, but how does this solve anything for those people that never even got the chance to surrender to Christ?(July 9, 2012 at 1:07 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Because Jesus himself said faith in him was needed for salvation.Which is my point. Just because you have a very specific Brand of Faith, Does not mean other Brands of faith will be refused.
Quote:In your allegance to the purity of philosphy, you have over looked the reality of the "Divine command" Given. God did not command us to Kill (Had He I would be hunting all of you down right now) He commanded us to Love God, then Love each other. So with the same effort and zeal I would expend on hunting unbelievers down, I put into my current ministry (if not more)
I know it doesn't say to kill, but my point is that right and wrong can't be called 'good' and 'bad' anymore because what is right and wrong has become arbitrary. It's simply what God says to do. Can it be said that God is good? No, because the commands we have been given are arbitrary. In other words, my feelings of what is right and wrong are completely off. I might think that lying to save someone's life is the right thing to do, but my feelings can't be trusted. Right and wrong are arbitrary. I think this isn't so.
Quote:God has not put anyone on the earth who does not have a chance to live eternally. Unfortunatly you are so foolish to think that your understanding of the salvation offered by God/Christ is the only extention of His Grace. Again With Heb 4:11 God/Christ will judge who is worth of eternal life. Not you or those so foolish to think they have a complete understanding of God's Grace. Christ also tells a parable explaining this. (The parable of the day labors)
Hebrews 4:11-13 (I'm assuming you meant the whole paragraph):
Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
I'm also assuming you meant the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
1) Hebrews 4:11-13 simply says that everyone is under the Law of God basically. That's not something we didn't know already which is why I'm saying these people that are under the Law will suffer for eternity without even being given a chance to follow the Law.
2) The parable in a nutshell is about different groups of workers that do different amounts of hours on the job but they all get payed the same. I've always seen this as saying that it doesn't matter when someone gets saved in their life, they will get the same reward as lifelong Christians. It doesn't relate to what we're talking about in the least bit.
Quote:Christianity as you know it is simply a garantee. God will judge everyone who has Not Heard the Gospel with a set of parmeters not privy to any of us. Which makes eternal life it a throw of the dice, but not impossiable. God will judge who qualifies, and who does not using the same grace offered to all who have heard the gospel. Which still means no man comes to the Father but through Christ. (again Heb 4:11)
This sounds ambiguous. You mean everyone is saved through Christ, or everyone that has heard the Gospel is saved through Christ?
There's no reason to think God has separate parameters with which to judge these people, unless you have proper scripture to back it up. Like I said, Hebrews 4:11-13 isn't talking about this.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle