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[quote]Drich, you are mixing several separate concepts in the Bible. I also suspect that you are doing this on purpose to confuse people and also as an opportunity to preach to people.
First, the statement "of slaves to sin alive in Christ" is an analogy used to explain a theological concept - that's all.[/quote]
Before I get into a line by line arguement, lets address this statement first.
What if it is not an analogy?
what is a slave? In biblical terms it is one who yeild his will to that of another for some form of compensation. As a side note or personal observation the 'compensation offered is in far less value than the service offered.
How are we a slave to sin? We yeild our will to the parameters and consenquences of sin. In exchange 'we' get to be outside the expressed will of God. What will the final result or consenquence of sin be? Eternial seperation From God.
How is this any different than the biblical defination of what a slave is?
You are bound to the laws and consenquences of sin. said consenquences can not only have you beaten a inch from your life but have you beaten to death. It can take your dreams, leave you used abused and broken, it seperates families, it indentures men to hard labor, it sees men to prison, it takes the furtures of children, it has children put to death... i would dare say that there isn't one thing a 17th century taskmaster has not done that sin has not done a trillion times over.
Yet you can only see skin color, vocation, and compensation as the only means of identifying slavery.
[quote] We on this thread are not talking about that analogy and theological concept and you know this. We on this thread are talking about the physical practice of slavery, how this physical practice was condoned in the Bible, and how human beings have morally evolved to a point where we now know that the practice of slavery is wrong.[/quote]Slavery is wrong now, why because we do not need it to look like it did pre civial war any more. But make no mistakes there still are slaves. ask a mother who works 18 hours aday if she is free to do as she will or the man who sold his dreams to meet the requirements to live in under the requirements of wellfare. Slavery is still alive and well, it just been compartmentalized for you to only identify it if it presents itself in a very specific way. for if you saw it as it truly presents itself, then the selfrighteous would turn this country on it's ear, and we maybe fighting a second civial war before long.
[quote]Drich, you are mixing several separate concepts in the Bible. I also suspect that you are doing this on purpose to confuse people and also as an opportunity to preach to people.
First, the statement "of slaves to sin alive in Christ" is an analogy used to explain a theological concept - that's all.[/quote]
Before I get into a line by line arguement, lets address this statement first.
What if it is not an analogy?
what is a slave? In biblical terms it is one who yeild his will to that of another for some form of compensation. As a side note or personal observation the 'compensation offered is in far less value than the service offered.
How are we a slave to sin? We yeild our will to the parameters and consenquences of sin. In exchange 'we' get to be outside the expressed will of God. What will the final result or consenquence of sin be? Eternial seperation From God.
How is this any different than the biblical defination of what a slave is?
You are bound to the laws and consenquences of sin. said consenquences can not only have you beaten a inch from your life but have you beaten to death. It can take your dreams, leave you used abused and broken, it seperates families, it indentures men to hard labor, it sees men to prison, it takes the furtures of children, it has children put to death... i would dare say that there isn't one thing a 17th century taskmaster has not done that sin has not done a trillion times over.
Yet you can only see skin color, vocation, and compensation as the only means of identifying slavery.
[quote] We on this thread are not talking about that analogy and theological concept and you know this. We on this thread are talking about the physical practice of slavery, how this physical practice was condoned in the Bible, and how human beings have morally evolved to a point where we now know that the practice of slavery is wrong.[/quote]Slavery is wrong now, why because we do not need it to look like it did pre civial war any more. But make no mistakes there still are slaves. ask a mother who works 18 hours aday if she is free to do as she will or the man who sold his dreams to meet the requirements to live in under the requirements of wellfare. Slavery is still alive and well, it just been compartmentalized for you to only identify it if it presents itself in a very specific way. for if you saw it as it truly presents itself, then the selfrighteous would turn this country on it's ear, and we maybe fighting a second civial war before long.
