RE: Pat Robertson says it's ok to ignore parts of the Bible.
July 10, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm by Drich.)
[quote='Annik' pid='308390' dateline='1341934864']
[quote]You know, you're right. I can't accept the definition of a slave.[/quote]Now what if the defination you champion, the very same defination that has you 'rightfully' and willfully close your mind all other understandings, has you misidentifying how you yourself have been bound as a slave in your own life? Do you wish to protect the life you live so militantly that you yourself can not examine it, or question it unless you approach it from a specific POV? Because this is exactly what you have done when you will not examine what it is you think you know. Remember a wise man questions all things, not just the things he finds questionable.
[quote]Might I suggest that you pull your head out of your idealized-slavery-ass? I'm sure that there were indentured servants, but that's a little different than a slave.[/quote]At no point did I ever identified these people as indentured servants. Do you know why? Because the bible calls them slaves. If you call them indentured servants then know what you call a slave and what the bible calls a slave are not the same thing. Maybe that is why you should look at what is being discussed rather than closing up shop simply because you have been conditioned to think certain things about certain words/concepts.
[quote]Also, human life and human choice are not for sale. They are NOT.[/quote]We have been Given to only one choice. And Ironically selling yourself to sin costs you that choice. All other 'choice' is a philosphy based on the illusion of control. for what choices can be made by any of us apart from the choices provided to us by our station in life? For instances, what if i were a poor man and could only eat from a dollar menu at a fast food chain, but chose to goto a nice restraunt and order a $180.00 steak dinner? Would my choice be free from reprizals from the community in which I live, for dinning outside of my social/ecconomic means? No I would be thrown in jail and punished for not staying with in the boundries my social/ecconomic station in life. So my 'choices' are limited to the Mc double, a side salad or a baked potato with butter and chives... (This is not true choice, this is choosing between pot liquor and corn bread and the shrimp head stew left over from the 'big house')
Unless I Sell hours of my life my time to a company willing to give me far less per hour, than what I would sell hours off of the end of my life for. So I can raise my social ecconomic standard to a level deemed acceptable by my soceity's demands on one ordering a 180.00 steak dinner. I will be stuck with the choices of one bound to his station in life.
Whether you see it or not you have sold yourself to the same system of slavery being discussed in the bible. the only difference is the frequency in which you can change your occupations, and you work for goverment backed credits rather than directly for the things you buy from those credits. The only thing that has changed is what we call this process of trade and exchange
[quote] Additionally, there are plenty of slaves (yes, even in Biblical times, what a novel concept) that are taken against their will.[/quote]so?
[quote]If the cost is even one human life, it is not worth it. It's cruel. Cruel and horrid. [/quote]Says the girl living in the soceity built on the back of literal slaves past and present.
[quote]It's the exploitation of your fellow man. How can you not extend empathy for their plight? I don't even understand. [/quote]The screen you are reading these post from, the key board you type on.. Do you think they come from men/women (or even children) always making a livable wage? The cloths you wear, the car you drive All of the parts in that car. Do you think it were built by people makeing 40 or 50 dollars an hour?
No, they are not. Western soceity lives off of the backs of the rest of the world. 'we' exploit the poor for cheap labor to manfacture goods as inexpensivly as possiable. Why do you think manufacturing of just about everything has moved to china or mexico? Do you think it is because factory robots are cheaper there? it's because they can pay labors 4 dollars a month to build the moderatly priced items you put on your wish list for your b-day. Or so you can buy an ecconomy car that does not cost 200K.
[quote]Are you employed?[/quote]
[quote]Yep. I get paid hourly and I'm free to quit at any second. Freewill. You should think about that. This is a very poor analogy.[/quote]do you have responsiablities out side of going out and gas money? if yes, and you have house, morgage, kids, collage loans to pay for then you are not 'free' to do anything except pay your bills. you can quit you job for a while, but you will soon have to get another if you can't find someone to pay your way in life. This is paralelled in 'trading slaves' and slave services in the bible. Don't fool yourself you will have to work in some capasity for someone for the rest of your life whether you want to or not.
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Please, inform this man how much you love slavery. I'm sure he'd agree with you.[/quote]What makes you think I love slavery? because I will not conceed the to the idea of what a slave is supposed to be?
That i have learned to identify it in my life and free myself from it? That i am helping other to do the same?
[quote='Faith No More' pid='308531' dateline='1341951506']
That is not slavery; that is dependency. [quote]Slavery is the act of owning another human being.[/quote]Not according to the bible. There is an element of care, protection of said slave and his family that is being over looked in favor of the defination you have posted. Again we are talking about two very seperate things that share a common name.
[quote] So, we may all be metaphorical slaves to our desires, the government, our employers, and corporations, but that is because we are dependant on them. We are not slaves in the sense that any of these things own us. We can walk away from them at any time.[/quote]try and walk away from your Goverment master. burn your SS card, go off grid, stop paying your taxes and See what Master does when he catches up with you.
[quote] Altough we may not want to, we have that option, which a slave does not.[/quote] you guys have no clue what your talking about. It like "Roots" and every movie modeled after it has somehow defined Every relationship a slave had with his master in your mind.
A very large number stayed on with their masters after the war, of those many took the last names of their former owner as a testament or a pledge of on going service. only about 13,000 people "return home."
why did they stay? because they were dependant, just like we are.
[quote]You know, you're right. I can't accept the definition of a slave.[/quote]Now what if the defination you champion, the very same defination that has you 'rightfully' and willfully close your mind all other understandings, has you misidentifying how you yourself have been bound as a slave in your own life? Do you wish to protect the life you live so militantly that you yourself can not examine it, or question it unless you approach it from a specific POV? Because this is exactly what you have done when you will not examine what it is you think you know. Remember a wise man questions all things, not just the things he finds questionable.
[quote]Might I suggest that you pull your head out of your idealized-slavery-ass? I'm sure that there were indentured servants, but that's a little different than a slave.[/quote]At no point did I ever identified these people as indentured servants. Do you know why? Because the bible calls them slaves. If you call them indentured servants then know what you call a slave and what the bible calls a slave are not the same thing. Maybe that is why you should look at what is being discussed rather than closing up shop simply because you have been conditioned to think certain things about certain words/concepts.
[quote]Also, human life and human choice are not for sale. They are NOT.[/quote]We have been Given to only one choice. And Ironically selling yourself to sin costs you that choice. All other 'choice' is a philosphy based on the illusion of control. for what choices can be made by any of us apart from the choices provided to us by our station in life? For instances, what if i were a poor man and could only eat from a dollar menu at a fast food chain, but chose to goto a nice restraunt and order a $180.00 steak dinner? Would my choice be free from reprizals from the community in which I live, for dinning outside of my social/ecconomic means? No I would be thrown in jail and punished for not staying with in the boundries my social/ecconomic station in life. So my 'choices' are limited to the Mc double, a side salad or a baked potato with butter and chives... (This is not true choice, this is choosing between pot liquor and corn bread and the shrimp head stew left over from the 'big house')
Unless I Sell hours of my life my time to a company willing to give me far less per hour, than what I would sell hours off of the end of my life for. So I can raise my social ecconomic standard to a level deemed acceptable by my soceity's demands on one ordering a 180.00 steak dinner. I will be stuck with the choices of one bound to his station in life.
Whether you see it or not you have sold yourself to the same system of slavery being discussed in the bible. the only difference is the frequency in which you can change your occupations, and you work for goverment backed credits rather than directly for the things you buy from those credits. The only thing that has changed is what we call this process of trade and exchange
[quote] Additionally, there are plenty of slaves (yes, even in Biblical times, what a novel concept) that are taken against their will.[/quote]so?
[quote]If the cost is even one human life, it is not worth it. It's cruel. Cruel and horrid. [/quote]Says the girl living in the soceity built on the back of literal slaves past and present.
[quote]It's the exploitation of your fellow man. How can you not extend empathy for their plight? I don't even understand. [/quote]The screen you are reading these post from, the key board you type on.. Do you think they come from men/women (or even children) always making a livable wage? The cloths you wear, the car you drive All of the parts in that car. Do you think it were built by people makeing 40 or 50 dollars an hour?
No, they are not. Western soceity lives off of the backs of the rest of the world. 'we' exploit the poor for cheap labor to manfacture goods as inexpensivly as possiable. Why do you think manufacturing of just about everything has moved to china or mexico? Do you think it is because factory robots are cheaper there? it's because they can pay labors 4 dollars a month to build the moderatly priced items you put on your wish list for your b-day. Or so you can buy an ecconomy car that does not cost 200K.
[quote]Are you employed?[/quote]
[quote]Yep. I get paid hourly and I'm free to quit at any second. Freewill. You should think about that. This is a very poor analogy.[/quote]do you have responsiablities out side of going out and gas money? if yes, and you have house, morgage, kids, collage loans to pay for then you are not 'free' to do anything except pay your bills. you can quit you job for a while, but you will soon have to get another if you can't find someone to pay your way in life. This is paralelled in 'trading slaves' and slave services in the bible. Don't fool yourself you will have to work in some capasity for someone for the rest of your life whether you want to or not.
[quote]
Please, inform this man how much you love slavery. I'm sure he'd agree with you.[/quote]What makes you think I love slavery? because I will not conceed the to the idea of what a slave is supposed to be?
That i have learned to identify it in my life and free myself from it? That i am helping other to do the same?
[quote='Faith No More' pid='308531' dateline='1341951506']
That is not slavery; that is dependency. [quote]Slavery is the act of owning another human being.[/quote]Not according to the bible. There is an element of care, protection of said slave and his family that is being over looked in favor of the defination you have posted. Again we are talking about two very seperate things that share a common name.
[quote] So, we may all be metaphorical slaves to our desires, the government, our employers, and corporations, but that is because we are dependant on them. We are not slaves in the sense that any of these things own us. We can walk away from them at any time.[/quote]try and walk away from your Goverment master. burn your SS card, go off grid, stop paying your taxes and See what Master does when he catches up with you.
[quote] Altough we may not want to, we have that option, which a slave does not.[/quote] you guys have no clue what your talking about. It like "Roots" and every movie modeled after it has somehow defined Every relationship a slave had with his master in your mind.
A very large number stayed on with their masters after the war, of those many took the last names of their former owner as a testament or a pledge of on going service. only about 13,000 people "return home."
why did they stay? because they were dependant, just like we are.
