Where's the Justice?

[Drich]

Ok, but how does this solve anything for those people that never even got the chance to surrender to Christ?

will readdress at the end of this post.

I know it doesn't say to kill, but my point is that right and wrong can't be called 'good' and 'bad' anymore because what is right and wrong has become arbitrary.

Agree but understand this statement is a doubled edged sword.

It's simply what God says to do. Can it be said that God is good?

Yes because God is the literal defination of Good, or rather He orginally was the defination of Good.

No, because the commands we have been given are arbitrary. In other words, my feelings of what is right and wrong are completely off. I might think that lying to save someone's life is the right thing to do, but my feelings can't be trusted. Right and wrong are arbitrary.

True. This is why we need absolute standards. Without absolute standards you become lost.
It seems you have fallen for the idea that right and wrong are standards that some how exist without God. The oppsite is true. right and wrong only exist to describe your actions in relation to God's will. What soceity has done is try and take this standard from God (Re named it morality) and use it to judge God by. Its simple. Right is anything in God's expressed will. Wrong any thing or reason not in the expressed will of God. Understand that actions like killing and taking things that do not belong to you are not inhearently or intrinsically wrong. It is the pretext in which we do these things that makes them wrong. (Outside the expressed will of god) That is why god commands may sometimes seem arbertary. Because you look to define right and wrong by your actions rather than where your heart lies.

1) Hebrews 4:11-13 simply says that everyone is under the Law of God basically. That's not something we didn't know already which is why I'm saying these people that are under the Law will suffer for eternity without even being given a chance to follow the Law.

Actually no it does not. Are you familiar with john 1:1? Who is "The Word" That John 1:1 describes?1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was with God and the Word was God. Later John says and the Word was made Flesh. Meaning "The Word" is Jesus the Son of God.

Now with that revelation in mind lets look at Heb 4 again:Hebrews 4:11-13:
Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Allow me the liberity to substitute "The Word" with Christ:

For Christ is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
This mean our lives, or thoughts and our deeds will be divided into deli thin slices and review and judged by Christ Himself. Nothing will be hidden. Meaning their won't be any excuses no denying the presentation of the gospel in our lives, nor will their be any judgement day defense strageities that will carry any merrit. On the otherside of that sword lies the judgement of those who do not know Christ, because they truly never heard the gospel. 'We' (Christianity) are not privy to the method or what s being weighed in Chist's judgement against these people, but never the less they will most rightfully be judged. Not to some arbertary standard either. Christ takes the time and righfully divides our lives into our truest intentions and then levies an accurate and just judgement based on the condition of our hearts.

This sounds ambiguous. You mean everyone is saved through Christ, or everyone that has heard the Gospel is saved through Christ?

Everyone is potentially saved through Christ. Christ has eliminated all sin. Only leaving the desire or rather the choice one has made in their heart.

There's no reason to think God has separate parameters with which to judge these people, unless you have proper scripture to back it up. Like I said, Hebrews 4:11-13 isn't talking about this.

Hebrews 4 tells us that it is Christ who judges who is worthy and who is not to enter the kingdom of Heaven. It also tells us that it is not to the standard of man or his various expressions of religious effort that determines anything. This means it is not for you to say "Who has surrendered to Christ" let alone what a "chance to surrender even looks like."

All we can say is that the Christian Faith is the perscribed Path for an active informed believer to take. (One who is faithful to what he has been given) This does not mean that people found outside of organized Christianity are any less 'christian.' That is for Christ alone to decide.

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Either you can provide book chapter and verse to have a responsiable conversation or you can't. which is it?

Matthew 5: 17-18 vs. Acts 15.

You sighted "Isaha 40 something." Am I to understand you no longer wish to persue this challenge sighting Isaha?

If you wish to further discuss the above mentioned passages please out line any descrepency you have with the stated verses. for i have already said I do not see any contradictions when viewed in completed context.