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Uncovering the Markan Allegory
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RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory
(July 11, 2012 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes go to Revelations there is were this verse is confirmed, Elijah and Moses will be sent at the end of time as messengers of the Gospel. John the Baptist was not Elijah.

Correct. John was not literally Elijah but an allegory for Elijah, as the references show.

Godschild Wrote:No Mark writes about the life of Jesus and tells it as he experienced it as a disciple.
I don't know if you even believe what you said? 'Tradition' says Mark was the disciple of Peter NOT Jesus. No one disputes the fact that Mark was NOT a witness account. 'Tradition' even confirms that.

Quote: Mark picked out nothing form the OT, Christ's life revealed the OT prophecies written about Him.
Why is there no reason to believe that he referenced the bits I have shared? Christ's life was an allegory because it can be shown that Mark was writing allegorically not historically.

Quote: Many were not even recognized until after Christ's resurrection,
Mark didn't write about a resurrection.

Quote: they could not and would not have be recognized as prophecies if Jesus had not fulfilled them.
Clearly if Mark was using the OT as the basis for what he was writing then the character of Jesus was undeniably going to 'fulfil' these things, but in an allegorical manner because it can be shown that Mark wasn't writing history.

Quote: Yes you are picking by believing and announcing this stuff. Stuff you've gotten from others.
What's wrong with doing a little research? You can't discredit what could be potentially the truth because it's 'stuff from others'. The truth is the truth.

Quote:All the allegorical religions and their gods are long dead, explain why Christianity isn't.
Because those communities that gave us Matthew, Luke and John took Mark the wrong way. In fact, let's take a step back from Christianity. If we together suppose that Mark was actually writing allegorically then we can conclude Jesus wasn't a person. Remember we're just assuming here alright? Now, if this were true then TRUE Christianity is no different to the Mithraic mysteries (that word should sound familiar. Paul likes using the word 'mystery' quite a bit). The early Church i.e. Catholicism and Mithraism had the same rituals that were related to their 'saviour' Gods. What I'm getting at here, and somewhat expanding on your question, is that Christianity is nothing special. It's actually interchangeable with Mithraism but it so happens that Mark decided to write this allegory which has now sparked an entire series of events which brings us to today; where there are 2.2 billion people that have misunderstood what these cults consisted of.

Quote:Mark 1:6 and 2Kings 1:8 shows that these two men serving God wore the same type of clothing, clothing commonly worn by many men.

FtR Wrote:Within the first 6 verses of Mark there are 3 references to the OT. Two of these are directly linked to Elijah. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Quote:So, Mark is sighting prophecies fulfilled, many people ate honey an locus in those days and still do today, it is a healthy diet. No coincidence, fulfilled prophecies. The references you want to make into something they are not do have a purpose, to show that John the Baptist was equal to Elijah in his serves to God.
You can't have your cake and eat it. Either it is or it isn't a reference to Elijah.

The thing that doesn't work with your view that all this is history and at the same time they were actually 'mirroring' the OT is that it just doesn't happen that way in reality. We might as well be reading a script for a play because that's what you're really suggesting; these Gospels that are supposedly genuine history happened in such a way that e.g. John happened to be wearing the same clothing as Elijah so that he would reflect his godliness like Elijah. Can't you see that the more realistic conclusion is that a man simply used the OT to write how he felt about the destruction of Jerusalem?

Quote: Where does it say in the OT that Elijah had his head cut off, why wasn't such a great servant as John the Baptist taken up into heaven without dying.
The whole point to the references that Mark makes are that they relate to the punishment the Jews got for their sins i.e. Jerusalem being destroyed. Nothing more, nothing less as far as I can see.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 10, 2012 at 6:34 am
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by Godschild - July 10, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by Godschild - July 11, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by FallentoReason - July 11, 2012 at 3:26 am
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by Minimalist - July 10, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Uncovering the Markan Allegory - by Minimalist - July 11, 2012 at 2:45 am

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