(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: now take the step to a planetary scale. What if the parent left this task to a few billion children and say 1/3 of them did what was asked 1/3 of them starved and a 1/3 stood by and blamed the parent for not supplying everyone with an over abundance?
The scale would only matter if it matters to the parent. Certainly what you're decribing is beyond the scope of a mortal parent's ability to handle.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: We were specifically designed for this task and complete in every way, until we allowed sin into our lives. Just because we have destroyed our ablity to do what is asked does not mean the task changes to suit our short commings. When is this ever true in life?
When is it NOT true in life? If a person can't handle a job we don't knowingly leave it in their hands, we find someone else who can do it or do it ourselves.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Then if the standard of living was lowered then it would be poverity would it? It would be the standard of living.
There's a difference between relative and absolute poverty. If you're scratching out a living from barely fertile ground with hand tools, your standard of living is impoverished no matter how many people are in the same boat as you.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: We are only responsiable in so far as what we have been entrusted with. we have been blessed with a surplus for nearly 100 years and yet a large portion of this planet goes hungery. this may not have been a burden for our great grandfathers to bear, but it does belong to us.
Agree, essentially. However, don't be too hard on us. We've managed to bring the percentage of people in absolute poverty from 40% to 14% in the last 20 or so years through the miracle of economic growth. That's seven hundred million raised out of the worst poverty in India and China. Now the fastest economic growth in the world is happening in some African nations. That's not a reason to slack off now though, of course, it's a reason to press on and finish the job.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: why do you believe their to be any fault?
You're the one placing blame on the 'adult children', I'm just pointing out that if there is blame and the analogous parent is aware of the situation and able to correct it, the parent would bear a share of any fault going around.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: This life is meant to be a proving grounds and a place where we are to learn what it is to suffer as a result of sin. Seems to me the fault lies in those who seek to spend this life hiding from the 'suffering' we have been tasked to endure and alieviate.
Why do you believe there to be any fault?
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: what if the goal is to always have some measure of suffering in the world?
Seems like a profoundly immoral goal.
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: you guys seem to confuse the concept of Heaven and a fallen world far too often. Suffering is the consenquence of sin.
The sin where the Father leaves two children in a garden with a talking snake who tricks them into eating a fruit the Father said they couldn't have, said fruit containing the knowledge of good and evil so the children couldn't know they were committing a sin until after they ate it; and the Father acts surprised and angry that the children succumbed to the snake's wiles even though he made those children exactly as morally strong and resistant to temptation as they were?
(July 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Drich Wrote: as Slaves to sin our lot is to suffer as a result of it. Suffering yeilds temperance and wisdom in the faithful man's heart. Wisdom and temperance is the key to an eternal life filled with the things you look to capture and enjoy in this one.
God isn't able to provide us with temperance and wisdom without suffering?
